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Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by 616c »

Tobold wrote: post #38
616c wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was recently bored and watched, after years of avoiding it, The Traitor (2008), with Don Cheadle as a terrorist ... or not so-terrorist. The movie was pretty bad (there's the real spoiler!). In that movie, which I just check the date for, seems like one of the first pop references to the idea of sharing email drafts in a free email account without sending anything. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/…

I enjoyed that movie, the ending made me laugh so hard! Note that that doesn't mean it's GOOD.

Thank Allah I am not the only one.

Oh crap, mission compromised! SIGABRT! Wait, is everyone in this room part of the hacker cell? Are we all hacking each other? Haha.

(Honestly, what disturbs me the most is that, yet another spoiler, he puts all these suicide bombers on a bus to detonate themselves. And they never mention the bus driver who dies as part of this ruse. Not even does Don Cheadle seem to care about this guy! I found that pretty disappointing. I think that is just the underappreciated IT guy talking.)

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by fencepost »

brunoqc wrote: post #11
codemogul wrote: post #8

Relevant and coincidental personal anecdote: 10 years ago I caught my x-wife in an affair as she was using this same method the communicate with her lover. Her choice of email address for the shared account raised alarms on my firewall, so it was a simple matter to track to her machine. While she had gone to the similar trouble to delete all records on Yahoo (coincidentally), she had been browsing with IE which, due…

> Her choice of email address for the shared account raised alarms on my firewall What does that even mean?

> bobbyandsue@example.com

"but my name's Jim...."

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by blfr »

jacquesm wrote: post #32
cloudjacker wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mail server? how do you avoid being put in the spam bin of every email provider ever? seems like it would have been a hassle to deal with for the last 15 years

It may be strange to you but running a mailserver was pretty normal back in the day and even now I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, I see a lot wrong in having just a few email service providers that get to dictate terms. There is arguably something wrong with how hard it is to properly set up and secure a mail server, but the concept of running your own mailserver is no different than running your own HTTP(S) ser…

It is somewhat different because you need to convince other mail servers to cooperate with yours whereas the HTTPS server works directly with clients (browsers) and may function completely independently.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by x0x0 »

Oletros wrote: post #40
PhantomGremlin wrote: post #26

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In the USA a number of states are de jure community property states. In those states, assets acquired in marriage, and appreciation in value of assets owned before marriage are both considered to belong equally to both spouses. Many other states are de facto community property states. There is often some sort of "equitable" division of assets in a divorce. In practical terms this often appears quite similar to the de…

Thanks for the explanation. Can the members of the marriage(spouses?) change that? Here in Spain some autonomous communities (like the states in USA) have community property as default and some others have asset separation as default but when one gets married can decided which one to use

You can get a prenuptial agreement (prenup), but which laws you are allowed to override varies by state, duration of the marriage, the whims of the divorce court, and how diligent you are about keeping assets separate during the marriage. You're probably better off spending your energy on avoiding marrying the wrong person...

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by SEJeff »

dang wrote: post #35
falsestprophet wrote: post #22

It's really touching that you trust your wife to be smart enough to not use the mail server you run for adultery.

We've banned this account for violating the HN guidelines. Normally I would let you know that personal attacks are not allowed on HN, that this is a bannable offense, and ask you not to do it again. But in your case we already did that. Edit: I reversed this because I'm not sure I interpreted the comment correctly. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12153922 and marked it off-topic.

Thanks for running such a tight ship and keeping HN, well... HN

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by greenyoda »

HarryHirsch wrote: post #5

Data retention is negotiated and spelled out in detail in NDAs for contract research organizations. It's easy to delete data from servers once a project is done, but the backup tapes also have copies. You can't throw the tapes out, because the company needs them, hence there are agreements what happens to the data and tapes, and nowadays these are standard practice. This is a solved problem in the real world, but som…

But an NDA can't prevent a company from turning over their backup data to the authorities when presented with a legitimate warrant from a court.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by _delirium »

quotemstr wrote: post #34
cloudjacker wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mail server? how do you avoid being put in the spam bin of every email provider ever? seems like it would have been a hassle to deal with for the last 15 years

I've been running my own mail server for years; it's on a linode VPS. I've had zero problems with my outgoing messages being blocked. I don't even bother with inbound filtering: spam is much less a problem these days than it was ten years ago. Of course, I've configured my server to properly sign email, publish SPF records, and so on. My server may be small, but god damn it, it's top notch.

Maybe I'm unlucky, but I get a pretty high volume of incoming spam on my mailserver. However about 99% of it originates from machines that are on essentially all the blacklists, so it's fairly easy to reject it in the SMTP session with a conservative DNSBL check, without getting into spamassassin-style content filtering (I also prefer rejecting in the SMTP session, because on the off chance that there was a false positive, the sender at least gets notified of the non-delivery, instead of their mail being silently eaten).

I agree that outgoing deliverability isn't really a problem for me either. I do have DKIM and SPF set up. I also am a fairly low-volume message source. I think self-hosting is more tricky if you're emitting large volumes of mail, like transactional emails for a business. But as a personal email server it's been fine for me.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by cloudjacker »

jacquesm wrote: post #32
cloudjacker wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mail server? how do you avoid being put in the spam bin of every email provider ever? seems like it would have been a hassle to deal with for the last 15 years

It may be strange to you but running a mailserver was pretty normal back in the day and even now I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, I see a lot wrong in having just a few email service providers that get to dictate terms. There is arguably something wrong with how hard it is to properly set up and secure a mail server, but the concept of running your own mailserver is no different than running your own HTTP(S) ser…

its not strange to me that is was done, just that you or anyone was attempting to do it, for their family no less, in the last 15 years.

Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #32
cloudjacker wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the mail server? how do you avoid being put in the spam bin of every email provider ever? seems like it would have been a hassle to deal with for the last 15 years

It may be strange to you but running a mailserver was pretty normal back in the day and even now I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, I see a lot wrong in having just a few email service providers that get to dictate terms. There is arguably something wrong with how hard it is to properly set up and secure a mail server, but the concept of running your own mailserver is no different than running your own HTTP(S) ser…

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Re: Judge Orders Yahoo to Explain How It Recovered ‘Deleted’ Emails in Drugs Case

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Post by dpark »

codemogul wrote: post #8

Relevant and coincidental personal anecdote: 10 years ago I caught my x-wife in an affair as she was using this same method the communicate with her lover. Her choice of email address for the shared account raised alarms on my firewall, so it was a simple matter to track to her machine. While she had gone to the similar trouble to delete all records on Yahoo (coincidentally), she had been browsing with IE which, due…

I have trouble understanding why people go through such lengths to maintain a hidden affair. If you've decided to have a long-term relationship with the new person, why not just file for divorce instead of going through ridiculous lengths to hide your new relationship? It seems like a lot of trouble, plus it makes it very clear that you're a terrible person when it's discovered.

Please forgive my nosy question, but was she financially dependent on you or was there some other reason for her to maintain the marriage?

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