I'm almost afraid to ask which two sentences came from real job descriptions..
I'm betting on: > We’ll have a large variety of alcohol in the office as well as an assortment of video games for the perfect frat environment I recall a (short-lived?) trend a year or two ago of startups offering free beer as a perk, and generally trying to describe themselves like a frathouse.
Having beer, fine. Describing yourself as a frat house seems both a bit sexist and immature. I believe you but it's a bit appalling. But I supposed it's a good signal for people looking to apply.
wouldn't you rather do that at home? or outside the office, at least? but since you're working 60 or more hours a week, I guess in the office is the only opportunity...
30-something with kid here... I enjoy cracking open a beer and playing some foosball with my team members before going home. I don't get to go to meetups as much as I used to and it's a good chance to socialize. Also, as a manager it helps me keep my pulse on things. People open up after a beer. Foosball has become a problem... I've gotten really good and sometimes it takes some coaxing to get people to play... "hey,…
I doubt it's just the beer, associating with your subordinates 'outside' work as a peer when nobody is being paid is good leadership and earns you trust and respect.
I'm betting "Yes you’ll get all the usual benefits, but if you’re really going for perks, Google is your best bet! If you want to make an impact, then please apply." and "We’ll have a large variety of alcohol in the office as well as an assortment of video games for the perfect frat environment" are the two sentences from real job descriptions
Does the idea of beer and video games in the office really bother anyone? Sounds great to me...
I have my own hobbies and friends to do them with. I prefer to get my work done, then leave and go do my own stuff.
I don't necessarily mind beer and video games being available at work, but listing them on a job posting is a red flag that the company wants people with no social life, willing to work long hours for relatively low pay.
It's also a red flag that you may be working with people who consider beer and video games a perk...
.... who's single, willling to be paid in options rather than a market-rate salary, and will work long hours because they truly believe in our mission of $RANDOM_BS_NARRATIVE
> given that the job market is very much on the side of programmers I think this is seriously oversold. Outside of the Valley, or outside of certain skillsets, the market is not on the side of programmers.
I'd say even inside the Valley too, depending on your tech stack, major, university pedigree, or stars on your open source github project. But then again, the market is not on the side of employees in general - we are many, positions are few. AFAIC, programmers, developers, hackers, etc. still have it pretty good relatively .
It's definitely a myth. There may be a lot of companies with job postings and interviewing, but not a lot of hiring. Sure, HN posters will tell you all about the mythical "shortage of engineers" and how everyone is hiring. Also, everyone on HN has $200K salaries, can get their next job in 1-2 days max, and has a supermodel girlfriend. In reality, the hiring market really just doesn't seem to be that healthy. Still much better than the market for textile or factory workers, but not great.
Sad but true : http://www.indeed.com/job/javascript-nodejs-socketio-ninja-9... https://www.codeeval.com/company/EmailCherry/
From the first link: > Plan on working ~100+ hours a week during sprints And the second: > A lot of companies equate putting in long hours with productivity. We think thats nonsense.
30-something with kid here... I enjoy cracking open a beer and playing some foosball with my team members before going home. I don't get to go to meetups as much as I used to and it's a good chance to socialize. Also, as a manager it helps me keep my pulse on things. People open up after a beer. Foosball has become a problem... I've gotten really good and sometimes it takes some coaxing to get people to play... "hey,…
I doubt it's just the beer, associating with your subordinates 'outside' work as a peer when nobody is being paid is good leadership and earns you trust and respect.
Yeah, I wasn't really saying it in a "alcohol loosens you up sort of way"... no one really gets too buzzed on one beer. More of a camaraderie sort of way.