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Re: Mise en abyme

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For a French person, it is very difficult to see the value of the link here.

You dont't have to be French to not see the value of this link. I'm an Australian, living in Germany with a Chinese ancestry and I can't see how this is HN relevant.

I'm a German wearing Spanish shoes and I had Arabic lunch and I can clearly see how this is HN relevant (hint: recursion).

Re: Mise en abyme

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(as a French speaker,) I'm not sure to agree with the comments that associate "mise en abyme" with recursivity.

For me, examples of mise en abyme is a film shot in a movie, or story read from a book in a book. In CS, it means a function called from another function ... which is not necessarily recursivity :)

Re: Mise en abyme

#43

(as a French speaker,) I'm not sure to agree with the comments that associate "mise en abyme" with recursivity. For me, examples of mise en abyme is a film shot in a movie, or story read from a book in a book. In CS, it means a function called from another function ... which is not necessarily recursivity :)

"recursion" is calling a function from itself. You usually want this to terminate at some point, though, and thus will have some kind of branching, so it's not "en abyme".

Re: Mise en abyme

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(as a French speaker,) I'm not sure to agree with the comments that associate "mise en abyme" with recursivity. For me, examples of mise en abyme is a film shot in a movie, or story read from a book in a book. In CS, it means a function called from another function ... which is not necessarily recursivity :)

That was also my first thought, but after consideration, there's more to "mise en abyme" than simply placing a story within another.

I think in France everyone learns this term at least in high school, specifically applied to literature, and the way I was taught is that something in the inner story reflects something in the outer story. So for example, you'd talk about the "mise en abyme" of a specific relationship between two characters. This brings it a bit closer to self-similar recursion, but I agree it's still quite different and generally not about fully self-referential concepts (IMO Wikipedia goes a bit over the top in that regard).

Re: Mise en abyme

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Oh great, now we're gonna have language hipsters referring to their functions as "mise en abyme" instead of just saying "recursive" like we've been doing for the past 40 years.

In french we also have "recursion" but it's not used for the same proposes. "Mise en abyme" is used for art or something visual and recursion when it's about logic.

No matter, hipsters will find a way.

Re: Mise en abyme

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Oh great, now we're gonna have language hipsters referring to their functions as "mise en abyme" instead of just saying "recursive" like we've been doing for the past 40 years.

Everything looks better in French.

Mise en abyme is the new meta.

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In french we also have "recursion" but it's not used for the same proposes. "Mise en abyme" is used for art or something visual and recursion when it's about logic.

No matter, hipsters will find a way.

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Re: Mise en abyme

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The answer is to use one of the "hidden variable" interpretations of quantum mechanics. Bell's experiments have ruled out local hidden variables, but hidden variables that violate locality are still permitted. Since this function takes the global state of the universe (hidden variables included) as its input and returns a new one for its output, there is no restriction for locality, so it remains consistent. Whether…

so, god is a bad coder with ugly global variables everywhere ? I hope the universe is more elegant than that :)

Peter Watts plays with the idea that God is malware ;)
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