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Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by [deleted] »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #32
jordanb wrote: post #9

> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

This makes me want to cry when I think of all the scummy cheating students I went to college with and the way my school refused to deal with their behavior.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by Spooky23 »

thecolorblue wrote: post #13
MrZongle2 wrote: post #8

I realize that Clinton -- like any candidate -- has a platoon of advisers for a wide variety of topics, and it is these people (rather than the candidate) who comes up with the proposed policy. But I can't help but immediately think that this was the candidate who disregarded the sound advice of the IT and security professionals in the State Department and had an entirely different bunch of people set up a faulty alt…

> ...faulty alternative email service... Do you have a source for this? It was my impression that nothing was out of the ordinary about her email server, and the rules around it were vague.

Do some Googling.

Anyone who isn't Hillary Clinton would be in prison right now for doing what she did.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by adamnemecek »

ak217 wrote: post #21
jordanb wrote: post #9

> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

That is a pretty myopic thing to say. One of the biggest issues for the US higher ed system is that foreign students who receive an education here often can't stay or have to face ridiculous hurdles. In many thousands of cases, you are also wrong about buying the degree: research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work. Address the inflation of university budgets at…

> research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work.

Maybe for PhD programs but I don't think that's that common for Masters.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by tremon »

ccvannorman wrote: post #23
thecolorblue wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...faulty alternative email service... Do you have a source for this? It was my impression that nothing was out of the ordinary about her email server, and the rules around it were vague.

How did you get that impression? (This is why democracy is hard) Here is a well sourced and concise explanation of why Hillary's actions around email were unforgivable. [1] [1] https://medium.com/soapbox-dc/12-red-flags-in-clintons-email...

Nothing in that article says anything positive or negative about the email server's setup or configuration. What value does it have in answering the GP's question about why the server was "faulty"?

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by wwwwwwwwww »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #32
jordanb wrote: post #9

> attaching a green card to the diplomas of foreign-born students earning STEM degrees. HAH! I knew this was going to be in there. Of course it's a gigantic bailout to the universities. STEM grad programs are already full of foreign nationals trying to get a slot in the advanced degree H1-B track. This would absolutely turbocharge that: buy a degree from whatever fourth rate American university for $xxx,xxx and value…

This makes me want to cry when I think of all the scummy cheating students I went to college with and the way my school refused to deal with their behavior.

pretty much this. At my school it's an almost universal phenomenon among international students. They literally run a cheating cartel that shares completed labs, tests, and homework. They even have a guy that they buy to take their tests for them.

the school doesn't take cheating very seriously - one time a guy was on his phone looking up answers in the middle of a test. the professor told him to put it away, and he did. a few minutes later he takes his phone back out and is looking up answers again.

it really is despicable how light universities are on cheating

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by rayiner »

arcanus wrote: post #33
tremon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the negative view on "it favors companies that hire engineers over those that don't"?

It is a market distortion. It favors the industry that is getting government support, taking away valuable resources from other industries that would do better in a free market. Practically, HN is pro-engineering, so we likely approve of such moves. Similar subsidies in other industries might not be viewed as favourably. Personally, I am not against it, because as someone who has many of his peers playing a zero-sum…

It's not just a pro- versus anti-engineering issue. A lot of engineering fields are rigorous and difficult while not being very highly paid.[1] Part of the reason is the market distortion you point out: both on the demand side (e.g. aerospace is a heavily regulated industry with few opportunities to build "unicorns"), and on the supply side (e.g. the government invested heavily in churning out aerospace degrees during the Cold War).

[1] I made more money out of school in software, with no relevant degree, than I would have in aerospace, with a B.S. in the field.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by tremon »

arcanus wrote: post #33
tremon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the negative view on "it favors companies that hire engineers over those that don't"?

It is a market distortion. It favors the industry that is getting government support, taking away valuable resources from other industries that would do better in a free market. Practically, HN is pro-engineering, so we likely approve of such moves. Similar subsidies in other industries might not be viewed as favourably. Personally, I am not against it, because as someone who has many of his peers playing a zero-sum…

Ah, in the "engineers vs other professions" sense. I was parsing it as "hiring vs non-hiring".

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by talmand »

simonh wrote: post #3

Interesting. I expect a series of highly detailed policy announcements on complex issues from Hillary over the coming months. I'm guessing she's realised Trump will be completely out of his depth on anything like this and unable to respond effectively.

I suspect Hillary is out of her depth on the subject as well. Her advisors, on the other hand, may not. I see no reason Trump cannot hire advisors just as experienced in the field as Hillary.

Re: Hillary Clinton Announces Tech Plan

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Post by jordanb »

throwawaysocks wrote: post #40
ak217 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a pretty myopic thing to say. One of the biggest issues for the US higher ed system is that foreign students who receive an education here often can't stay or have to face ridiculous hurdles. In many thousands of cases, you are also wrong about buying the degree: research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work. Address the inflation of university budgets at…

> In many thousands of cases, you are also wrong about buying the degree: research grants to universities fund those students' tuition and stipends, in exchange for good work. I think your parent was primarily referring to masters programs, not phd programs. FWIW I am pro-immigration in general, but I do worry about expensive diploma mill masters programs becoming a way for wealthy immigrants to buy preferential trea…

Because we have such a serious of shortage of people with PHDs?

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