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David Cameron announces resignation

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Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by monk_e_boy »

sz4kerto wrote: post #7
lossolo wrote: post #2

I just watched his talk. He lost. He fought that he can avoid crack in his party and anti-eu members will be pleased if he make this move - referendum. Then he thought he will get what he wants from EU and then all citizens will vote remain. He was wrong on all this points. He is the biggest looser in this situation and he really knows it.

> He is the biggest looser in this situation Except he isn't, really -- he loses his political position, but he and his family won't be existentially affected by what's going to happen, as opposed to probably tens of millions of people all around Europe.

A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. Everyone I know who works has given up going on holiday, buying cars, buying nice food. We're all sick of it. There is plenty of money in the UK and watching a rich PM tell us to tighten our belts.... psh.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by geff82 »

He'll go down in history as one of the worst leaders the UK ever had. Which he already was before yesterday. By the way, if he let the people decide on such a super topic as leave/remain in the EU, why does he not let his people vote on whether they want total surveillance or not? If they want a police state? Why can't they decide on stuff that affects their daily lives in a potential negative way? Or will they ignore the voice of the voters, Boaty McBoatface-style?

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by DanBC »

rjsw wrote: post #37
raverbashing wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Because you're thinking like a Swiss Especially thinking that all decisions will be calm, collected and will result from evaluation of all sides Most people will base a vote on false facts, spite and stuff like "following their heart"

I suspect that a country has to have referendums fairly often for them to work as intended. One problem in the UK was that people were answering different questions to the one asked.

...and basing their answers on blatant lies. (EG We can spend some of the £350m per week on NHS.)

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by simonbarker87 »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #41
sz4kerto wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He is the biggest looser in this situation Except he isn't, really -- he loses his political position, but he and his family won't be existentially affected by what's going to happen, as opposed to probably tens of millions of people all around Europe.

A lot of hate for him came from his inherited wealth. He had no idea how austerity was hitting people. Everyone I know who works has given up going on holiday, buying cars, buying nice food. We're all sick of it. There is plenty of money in the UK and watching a rich PM tell us to tighten our belts.... psh.

Really!? Everyone I know who works is very pleased with how the economy has recovered, many friends under 30 have bought a house (without parental help), many are nearing 40% tax bracket and my Facebook feed is full of people going on holiday. Not sure which UK you are living in but the one I'm in is pretty nice - well it was, until this vote.

And before you say I'm in some kind of elite I run a small factory in the north east of England and even my lower paid members of staff go on holiday once a year.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by jacquesm »

venomsnake wrote: post #38
jacquesm wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Crazy hairdos on top of influential Anglo Saxon countries is bull market it seems. Let's hope NL will manage to avoid that. In a way the 'brexit' may be the strongest shot in the arm for the rest of European unity if the consequences are quick and harsh enough. That would be a real pity for the people in the UK, but it may still have some positive effect. And there is always a way back. For now, this is a pretty bl…

I am optimistic ... The EU has leverage. And the revanche towards UK may unite the continent. Also the Anglo-Saxon worldview ... and their laizes faire approach is incompatible with the continental worldview. I honestly believe that UK impeded European unity with their "special" status inside. If the EU plays its cards correctly we may remove the U from UK, take in the parts, and then include England and Whales ... o…

> Realpolitik is fun thing to play.

I don't agree with that. You're assuming we know the outcome and with shifts like these the real results won't be in for generations to come.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by simonbarker87 »

PietdeVries wrote: post #11
jkelsey wrote: post #4

Wow. A new Prime Minister and a new President within about a month of each other. At this point though, it doesn't seem like the former will matter much anymore. I hope this shit hole of a year turns around for the second half.

And so it begins... If a Brexit-fanatic like Boris somehow gets hold of the UK, and Trump does the same in the US, we'll be looking back at "those good old days prior to June 2016" in no time... The world-economy will get more introvert, like the "me first" kids at school who don't care about the rest. And that will be the fuel of the upcoming unrest in the rest of the world...

I really don't think Boris cared one way of the other (Remain/Leave), he just saw a way to position himself for PM and took it.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by CommanderData »

geff82 wrote: post #42

He'll go down in history as one of the worst leaders the UK ever had. Which he already was before yesterday. By the way, if he let the people decide on such a super topic as leave/remain in the EU, why does he not let his people vote on whether they want total surveillance or not? If they want a police state? Why can't they decide on stuff that affects their daily lives in a potential negative way? Or will they ignor…

This government is for austerity and cutting public services and expenditure. He is no less a reflection of his party.

Next PM's in line: Theresa May: Pro snoopers (spying) charter. I don't like the term police state but her actions are worryingly in line.

Boris Johnson? A very charismatic idiot. His selling point being the golden coloured hairy creature that has permanently occupied his scalp.

Yes. We have a great line up of next potential PM's for Britain.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by dogma1138 »

gonzo41 wrote: post #40
dogma1138 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's highly unlikely that Jeremy Corbyn would remain as the leader of the Labour either since there seems to be an outrage amongst Labour MP's due to the overwhelming number of their core constituencies voting to leave. The low turnout in Scotland and the lack of major involvement from the SNP during the final weeks almost seems like both the SNP and the Labour at least partially just wanted to sit and watch the worl…

I'm really not that invested in this. I just think it's amazing that Cameron would let it happen. What a massive mistake. And what a way to to end your career and cement in your legacy as the person who to get short term gain (ukip support) at an election with the cost of destroyed an economy. I'm very my pro remain. People voting to leave is mostly about not understanding what your losing. Strong tightly integrated…

I don't understand why people blame this on Cameron, no one else would be in a position not go a ahead with this, this is a divisive matter but it's clear that the people wanted a vote on the subject.

And let's be fair English left was pretty much demolished in the last elections the Labour lost just as many votes to UKIP as the Tories did as the British blue collar workers used to be their base and many of those are now UKIP voters.

The Labour also lost Scotland to the SNP and the Greens/LD pretty much got rolled over. The Labour had pretty much zero chance of winning the elections and they knew they had no way of forming a government with the projections for the LD because they could not form a coalition.

If the Labour spent just a little less time attacking the Conservatives and more time reconnecting with the blue collar workers they lost to UKIP and try to maybe not hand over 50 seats to the SNP we wouldn't be in this position.

Heck if the Labour would've done it's job during this referendum we might not have been in this position the so called "Pro-EU" party was silent, the SNP was silent, and the results are well what you would expect.

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