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Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by panic » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:07 AM UTC

BoysenberryPi wrote: post #35

a13n wrote: post #12

Can someone please give an unbiased summary of what this means and how it will impact the UK, Europe, and the rest of the world?

Despite what most people are claiming on social media and even here, the fact is no one actually knows what is going to happen. Even Nigel Farage, the leader behind the "Brexit" movement, has said he has "absolutely no idea what will happen..." http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/nigel-farage...

Why did they have a vote if they hadn't planned for what would happen afterward? It's completely absurd.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by eli » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:07 AM UTC

blhack wrote: post #10

I don't really understand the reasoning either for or against this. The default seems to be non eu-membership. So why should Britain stay in the EU? People are commenting on this as though it's really obvious.

The "default" would surely be to remain being an EU member, i.e. to do nothing. Voting to leave is a significant change from the status quo.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by djsumdog » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:07 AM UTC

The UK and the US really head the current hegemony that is currently instilling so much war in the world. I believe the EU does share this responsibility, but I also really hope the UK leaving the EU helps the rest of Europe in in pushing back against these covertly back wars in Syria and elsewhere.

British citizens may not be able to world and live throughout the EU any more either. People already abroad may lose their work status on nations without reciprocal fall-back agreements.

This is a pretty big change, but I don't think it's a bad one.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by dragonwriter » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:08 AM UTC

martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

This may revitalize Scottish independence, since one of the arguments to keep Scotland in the UK was spreading uncertainty about Scotland's ability to stay in the EU if it left the UK.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by elthran » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:08 AM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #24

lossolo wrote: post #5

Unfortunately nationalism and populism won another war. Now watch Scotland make referendum to leave UK and after leaving they will join EU.

Is populism supposed to be bad? I just looked up the definition to make sure and it's basically the principle that ordinary people should have control over government rather than political insiders and wealthy elite. That sounds like democracy to me. Is there an aspect I'm missing?

For me, the downside of populism is that the political insiders and wealthy elite just so happen to be the people who actually understand how economies and governments and international agreements work.

The common man may think he knows everything, but he really doesn't.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by noarchy » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:08 AM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #38

thetmkay wrote: post #15

I voted today. I work in London at a startup with international markets. I believe in the ideal of free movement. I think the EU is a bit of a mess conceptually and mechanically, but in general a step forward for Europe. This is really the beginning of a very long, tedious and ultimately unsatisfying couple of years of dissatisfaction and instability as we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world.

>>> ... as we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. HA! Negotiate. If Britain want to shoot itself in the foot and unsettle the world economy, it can do so on its own. The EU need not concede on anything. Why should they, given that Britain won't be a voting member in a couple years. If I were France I would start bricking up the chunnel tomorrow.

> If I were France I would start bricking up the chunnel tomorrow.

Depending on how things turn out in France in the near future, they may be busy fighting "Frexit" sentiments in their own country. Le Pen has already brought up the possibility (granted, I don't expect her to be in power, but the idea is out there).

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by ekianjo » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:08 AM UTC

zacketysack3 wrote: post #17

lossolo wrote: post #5

Unfortunately nationalism and populism won another war. Now watch Scotland make referendum to leave UK and after leaving they will join EU.

As a free market supporter it is horrifying that protectionist sentiments reign supreme in the UK. Hopefully this does not foreshadow the US congressional and presidential elections in November.

It's actually a good thing for Free Market, since the UK will now be able to define what rules they want to play with, instead of having to rely on EU's bureaucrats.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by addicted » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:08 AM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #38

thetmkay wrote: post #15

I voted today. I work in London at a startup with international markets. I believe in the ideal of free movement. I think the EU is a bit of a mess conceptually and mechanically, but in general a step forward for Europe. This is really the beginning of a very long, tedious and ultimately unsatisfying couple of years of dissatisfaction and instability as we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world.

>>> ... as we negotiate with the EU and the rest of the world. HA! Negotiate. If Britain want to shoot itself in the foot and unsettle the world economy, it can do so on its own. The EU need not concede on anything. Why should they, given that Britain won't be a voting member in a couple years. If I were France I would start bricking up the chunnel tomorrow.

Exactly. The EU just needs to sit on their hands for 2 years, and that will mean an automatic tariff of 9% on 44% of British exports.

Although with the plummeting pound British stuff might still manage to be as cheap. Only now 4.5% of British exports will be going into European hands instead of British.

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by smcl » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:08 AM UTC

thetmkay wrote: post #30

smcl wrote: post #14

The way Scotland voted "Remain" is pretty stark: http://imgur.com/gallery/JjbEPZZ/new I can see an Independence Referendum 2.0 being pushed through...

Can London too?

I jokingly said to my friend that we could solve a handful of complex problems easily - England* declares independence from the UK and leaves the EU, the rest of us get to remain. Since we're already in fantasy land, London can remain if they like :)

* = I am assuming the Welsh vote was due to a few of the Welsh lads being too exited by the Euros to vote, so they get a pass on being narrowly "Leave" this time

Re: UK votes to leave EU

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Post by muse900 » Fri, Jun 24, 2016, 4:09 AM UTC

martythemaniak wrote: post #13

Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…

I think that the EU will see the UK leave as a slap. So it will definitely slap back, especially Germany. I think with this result UK gave the ok to Germany to actually push UK's economy into a devaluation and then e.g Berlin can become the new London of Europe.

I don't think the UK is going to get the same deal as Norway or Switzerland especially since the UK doesn't want to get involved in the free movement.