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Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

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Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#41
post #7

This is some nasty stuff. I feel sorry for the guy literally working there less then a day and getting the boot. Shows some really serious problems in management. Who the hell hires people when they know very well they won't stay and make the whole staff redundant. Well, except for friends and family of course. Either it was a lack of communication between management and HR, or they just really didn't give a flying f…

I know someone who left a finance job in NYC to move to London. Was fired in his first week; the trading desk he had joined was abruptly closed down. I guess senior management kept the plans secret from the line managers who kept on hiring without knowing what was coming. So I don't think this sort of thing only happens in start-ups (if anything, I would guess this type of thing is more likely to happen in a large co…

Big companies definitely do things like this.

When I was hired by Google, I lived in Chicago. They wanted me to relocate to NYC because there weren't any open positions in Chicago at the time. Within a week of joining I got an email sent to all engineers in NYC asking if anyone wanted to move to Chicago. SIGH.

Oh well, it's good to see the world.

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#42
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone who left a finance job in NYC to move to London. Was fired in his first week; the trading desk he had joined was abruptly closed down. I guess senior management kept the plans secret from the line managers who kept on hiring without knowing what was coming. So I don't think this sort of thing only happens in start-ups (if anything, I would guess this type of thing is more likely to happen in a large co…

That's awful; not least because (depending on their role) gardening leave might apply, preventing them from getting a job in the finance industry for months

The company should be responsible for lost wages due to the solicited employee's detrimental reliance on the company's representations.

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#43
post #30

As an engineering student at UWaterloo it's pretty depressing to watch most of the best upper year engineers finish their studies and then abandon Canada for SV. There's logic in it for them: American companies are offering huge sums of money by Canadian standards, the weather is nicer, and the opportunities seem better. If I didn't have serious reservations about living in the US, I would probably do the same. Howev…

Clearpath isn't going anywhere. ;)

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#44
Just going to leave this here:

http://www.google.com/about/careers/locations/waterloo/

https://www.google.com/about/careers/jobs#t=sq&q=j&li=20&l=f...

(Search above includes both Tornoto and Waterloo, but Waterloo is the main engineering office in the area.)

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#45
post #5

> Kathan told BetaKit that the “incredible difficulty” of acquiring senior-level talent in Toronto As some companies are (finally) starting to realize, there are incredibly talented people all over the world, who are not within 1.5 hours of your office. Allowing them to work remotely opens your company up to a much higher caliber of talent for the same, if not lower, cost. The tools are out there now and they work we…

EDIT: Why was this post flagged? Comments now disabled?

I think you're running into the comment-cooldown feature. The reply button doesn't appear until a comment has been live for a couple of minutes. I'm not a big fan of the feature, it leads a lot of people to think they're being messed with by the moderators.

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#46
This has nothing to do with hiring and everything to do with finding a buyer. A lot of companies are told by potential buyers "if you were in SV we would buy you". Relocating lets them cut head count, improve financial outlook (new cost structure) and get closer to a potential acquisition. Definitely in the interest of the investors.

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#47
This has nothing to do with hiring and everything to do with finding a buyer. A lot of companies are told by potential buyers "if you were in SV we would buy you". Relocating lets them cut head count, improve financial outlook (new cost structure) and get closer to a potential acquisition. Definitely in the interest of the investors.

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#48
post #30

As an engineering student at UWaterloo it's pretty depressing to watch most of the best upper year engineers finish their studies and then abandon Canada for SV. There's logic in it for them: American companies are offering huge sums of money by Canadian standards, the weather is nicer, and the opportunities seem better. If I didn't have serious reservations about living in the US, I would probably do the same. Howev…

As I hear it, it all comes down to financing. Talent's easy to find, sure, but raising money anywhere in Canada vs. SF is no contest.

It's still a shitty way to treat people, but I can see why companies still want to be in the valley. I just wish we could attract more investors to Toronto. There are a lot of super-psyched tech and design folk in this city.

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#49

> to achieve our vision for Joist, we need the best talent in the world This is a standard mantra of startup lore, but if I put on my nitpicking hat, is it strictly true? I mean we're not talking about the Manhattan Project here. Plus it's not as though there isn't intensely fierce competition for talent in the valley. Just because a lot of talented people are there, doesn't mean you'll get to hire them. The "best ta…

The question to ask anyone who claims they only hire the best is, "How do you make sure of that?" They should have an answer, and it needs to be a good one.

Well, we make them do a really hard HackerRank test, and then write syntactically correct code to print a binary tree in raster order on a whiteboard. And then we don't hire them because their salary demands are too high so we get someone cheaper with less experience.

Re: Joist lays off 60 employees in Toronto as company relocates to SF

#50
post #12

Luckily lots of companies in Toronto are hiring and are taking advantage of this opportunity to recruit the people affected by this move. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23joist60

I've always wondered what happened to the hardware and software talent from RIM, now that they've pretty much stopped producing anything useful.

This guy worked at RIM back in the day. Amazingly talented.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Matthiaswandel

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