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3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

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Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

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I envy them for their minimalism. I am not able to achieve that with years of trying. Items will start piling up unknowingly.

I spent six months travelling and working remotely recently, in Japan, Taiwan and Australia. I only had a carry on suitcase and I never missed anything.

I'm now back in London and after two weeks I have bought at least three small suitcases worth of new things. It's amazing how quickly things pile up. Once I had the space I started accumulating possessions. I go into shops and come out with things I didn't know I needed.

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#42
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you need some kind of community shop, that sells/loans things you want in the way you want it. You don't need the clothes that society tells you you have to wear at different events, just need 50% of people not to care.

Good luck making the selling of individual envelopes commercially viable! That said, totally agreed there's a gap for bringing the "sharing economy" to things people buy but rarely use (lawn mowers, leaf blowers, pressure washers, etc.)

I needed 1 envelope last month. It was 1 PLN (0.3 USD) at nearest street shop (kiosk). I don't think they lose money on that. I also bought a pen there for another 1 PLN.

They mostly sell cigarettes, newspapers, chewing gum and tickets, but they keep some envelopes, empty DVDs, pens, lighters, etc - it's not going to expire and they have huge markup, so why not?

Are there no small shops in your country?

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#43
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As much as I like the idea of living with only a few possessions, it strikes me as a constant struggle: where do you put the 50 pack of envelopes you had to buy to send one letter? Are scissors for opening packaging included in his possessions? Nail trimmers? Toiletries? A formal pair of shoes? Do you have to hire all this stuff when you need it, or just keep in a drawer out of sight? And this is what I didn't get ab…

I keep my important possesions able to fit in a carry-on suitcase, and I have a trunk where I keep refillable stuff - envelopes, refills of the hair product I like, toothpaste bought in bulk.

Everything in the trunk is stuff that could be replaced cheaply with 30m at a supermarket.

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

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I am not really a minimalist intentionally, but I'd guess that at least by amount spent I rank near the very bottom of HN posters. Over the last 3 years I have averaged about $300-400 USD per month, which includes rent and a yearly visa. I don't own a phone and I have no air conditioning, hot water, television, etc. I bike or walk everywhere -- no car or moto. I do own a computer and a 12$ per month internet connection, a set of speakers, a table, a home-made standing desk, and a mattress. My wife / room mate has a few things too, but she is similarly minimal. We share books and colored pencils, but beyond that it's just assorted small items. Even with our relatively small number of possessions though, moving apartments still seems daunting.

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#45
post #24

The West is following Japan in so many ways, I suppose because they had their financial crisis before us. Herbivore men, minimalist living, collapsing fertility rates, we are turning Japanese.

Yes, and the irony is, that is what destroyed Japanese culture.

The only part they got right was getting rid of the items that don't serve you.

The part they got wrong was enforcing the behaviors that don't serve you. No true man (yes yes, no true scotsman argument, I'm aware of the fallacy, just stick with me on this) is served by being a "herbivore" or whatever term Japan uses for their men.

If you look at productivity and creativity rates among men, men that spend significant time on self improvement (eating right, including meat; exercising, including cardio and weight training; meditation and focusing on the now (instead of the irrelevant bullshit the Universe throws at us on a constant basis)) tend to perform much better at any given task.

Japanese men are typically critically devoid of ego, in the sense that they have no personal value, and often commit suicide once they realize they have no value and no one would miss them.

Too many Japanese men go to work every day, and celebrate working themselves to death, as if this is a worthy goal. If you go to work every day, you are living your life wrong. Every day, you should be focused on things that work for you, not against you.

If you have to drag yourself to work every day, you are working at the wrong job. Japan has made doing this a core principal of their culture, and its killing them, and may actually be one of the driving components behind the lost decade.

The reason fertility rates are collapsing, and lots of Japanese women aren't even having sex at all, let alone dating or marrying, is because herbivore men are not sexy. They just aren't. They want big strong men to lead in the bedroom (I'm not even being sexist, there has been studies in Japan about this), and Herbivore men are the exact opposite of that.

Genetically, women are predisposed to want to mate with what we, of the western world, have generally called "manly men": beards, muscles, a certain musky scent, a certain way of unapologetically taking what they want, all signs of health and sexual maturity in ancient man. Japanese men show none of these traits, and are androgenous as fuck.

I'm not saying half the shit the Silicon Valley culture is doing is any better, but it isn't nearly as toxic as what Japan does sometimes.

Don't want the US to turn out like Japan? Go put yourself first, take care of yourself, and enjoy every minute of your life. Do what you find important in life, don't work at a job just because bills need to be paid.

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#46
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Traveling often has forced me to adopt this approach. I do not miss the days where I owned much more. Slimming down your possessions to a couple of suitcases worth is liberating, to say the least. Incidentally, I also live in Japan, but most apartments I have visited here are very cluttered.

Minimalism sounds admiral, but how do you stop it limiting your life? For example someone invites you on a hike but you can't fit decent hiking boots in your two suitcases. Or someone invites you to a semi-formal dinner but you can't fit a proper evening jacket in there. You can't even hire boots as they need to broken in.

Or what if someone invites you to go climbing but you don't have climbing shoes? Or what if someone wants to go camping but you don't have a tent? Or what if someone wants to cook some rice and tofu but you don't have a rice cooker? Or what if....

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need boots for a stroll in the woods, but I'd hate to think 'that looks like a fun mountain to go up, but it wouldn't be responsible as I may break an ankle in these soft shoes'. And you can turn up at people's parties dressed however you want, but they may not invite you again if you disrespect them by ignoring a reasonable dress code. So yes I see you're trading experiences. Where is the line between mini…

"For traversing steep, rugged terrain you need strong flexible ankles and light, flexible footwear. Doing exercises to strengthen your ankles is better than splinting them in heavy, rigid boots." - Chris Townsend. Author of "The Backpackers Handbook"

Fun thing is, if you do smth a lot, you get accustomed to it and you need much support from gear. But if you do smth just occasionally, every small bit helps to enjoy the experience and avoid injuries.

In the above example, occasional hiker would be much better off with good hiking shoes. While a well-seasoned one could do same hike in dress shoes, sneakers or whatever. On the other hand, a seasoned hiker is more likely to have the good shoes and use them just for the sake of comfort and safety.

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#48
post #24

The West is following Japan in so many ways, I suppose because they had their financial crisis before us. Herbivore men, minimalist living, collapsing fertility rates, we are turning Japanese.

Yes, and the irony is, that is what destroyed Japanese culture. The only part they got right was getting rid of the items that don't serve you. The part they got wrong was enforcing the behaviors that don't serve you. No true man (yes yes, no true scotsman argument, I'm aware of the fallacy, just stick with me on this) is served by being a "herbivore" or whatever term Japan uses for their men. If you look at producti…

Just curious, have you been to Japan? What is it like? I heard it's pretty awesome to visit, but not to live (presumably for same the reasons you've outlined)

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need boots for a stroll in the woods, but I'd hate to think 'that looks like a fun mountain to go up, but it wouldn't be responsible as I may break an ankle in these soft shoes'. And you can turn up at people's parties dressed however you want, but they may not invite you again if you disrespect them by ignoring a reasonable dress code. So yes I see you're trading experiences. Where is the line between mini…

"For traversing steep, rugged terrain you need strong flexible ankles and light, flexible footwear. Doing exercises to strengthen your ankles is better than splinting them in heavy, rigid boots." - Chris Townsend. Author of "The Backpackers Handbook"

From pictures, he still uses boots, just lighter ones. I'm pretty sure you'd struggle fitting these in a suitcase: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kQ4fJrh8wBk/U1FeF6moB2I/AAAAAAAAFn...

Re: 3 shirts, 4 pairs of trousers, meet Japans hardcore minimalists

#50
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As much as I like the idea of living with only a few possessions, it strikes me as a constant struggle: where do you put the 50 pack of envelopes you had to buy to send one letter? Are scissors for opening packaging included in his possessions? Nail trimmers? Toiletries? A formal pair of shoes? Do you have to hire all this stuff when you need it, or just keep in a drawer out of sight? And this is what I didn't get ab…

Well, don't buy a 50 pack of envelopes if you can avoid it. I think most people would reflexively buy a bunch and throw it in a drawer (batteries....) but in the absolute is it worth it?

And how many times have you used your sink plunger? It depends on your situation, but one of the tenants of this lifestyle is that you don't actually have to be prepared for that time where you'll need 2 50-foot ethernet cables.

I don't think the sink plunger or toileteries are the target so much as that box you have in your office filled with USB cables. Or your cup full of 19 different pens (12 of which only half-work).

I think the cloud imagery is such a good example too. You have your plunger next to the toilet, but I bet you stuck 4 or 5 other things down there too (some spare parts from installing the toilet seats?)

The way I follow it is that if there's a decent obvious place for something it's a lot less costly for me to hold onto it (like the suit) than for random crap that I "kinda think" I need to keep. And constant re-evaluation of this. If you're diligent and re-evaluating it constantly you should almost never have a "cloud" of things stacked up in a corner.

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