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Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Please tell me that virusses and bacteria can't be revived after 30k years in ice, or that our imune system is able to remember its defenses against virusses and bacteria it hasn't seen for 30k years.

tdy721 has been downvoted, but as far as I'm aware he's got the right idea. Viruses don't die. When outside a host, they basically just crystallize. If a plant can be viable after 30k years, a virus can definitely also be viable after the same 30k years.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Saarland University has a (pretty small) botanical garden that is open to the public.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botanischer_Garten_der_Univers... says it closed April 1, 2016. More details (in German) at http://www.uni-saarland.de/nc/aktuelles/artikel/nr/14351.htm... .

Man, that really sucks. I spent many nice afternoons there.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the DNA in a seed is still in good enough shape to support blooming after being frozen 30,000 years, perhaps a seed frozen in a meteorite [1] could also survive long enough to be spread between solar systems. [1] maybe after glancing off a planet or created by the collision of two large objects

Could survive long enough to be toasted when the meteorite finally falls to the promised land planet, in form of fireball.

Inner ice of sufficiently large comets can survive atmospheric entry.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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When talking about megafauna resurrection, it is often said that it's not possible because DNA degrades too much after a few thousand years. Yet apparently the DNA of this plant was still viable. What am I missing?

I guess that even if the DNA breaks down into smaller strands, you can still computationally assemble the DNA back into its original form (just search for overlaps in the sequences, and stick these together).

(Remember that if you have multiple cells, you have lots of strands of the same DNA, all broken in different places.)

But I'm not an expert.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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post #28

Please tell me that virusses and bacteria can't be revived after 30k years in ice, or that our imune system is able to remember its defenses against virusses and bacteria it hasn't seen for 30k years.

Our immune system is pretty good at identifying all kinds of foreign proteins. Unless a virus or bacterium has specifically evolved to evade our immune system, its chances are pretty bad. I wouldn't be too worried.

and if we find natural antibiotics there is a good chance they work even better today, because adaption of the germs reverts over time.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Every day we inch one step closer to bringing back dinosaurs, thus making Jurassic Park a reality.

I agree. One of these days, one of the icebergs will crack revealing a massive dinosaur that will come out of it's cryo-sleep.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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Please tell me that virusses and bacteria can't be revived after 30k years in ice, or that our imune system is able to remember its defenses against virusses and bacteria it hasn't seen for 30k years.

This is one of the fears with global warming, that a virus trapped in ice may be thawed and we would be vulnerable to it.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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post #28

Please tell me that virusses and bacteria can't be revived after 30k years in ice, or that our imune system is able to remember its defenses against virusses and bacteria it hasn't seen for 30k years.

This is one of the fears with global warming, that a virus trapped in ice may be thawed and we would be vulnerable to it.

This page lists a few fiction books that involve people somehow discovering ancient viruses at the antarctic. http://www.phys.barnard.edu/~kay/polar/genre.php

There's also a surprising number of Nazi secret bases.

Re: Wild flower blooms again after 30,000 years on ice (2012)

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When talking about megafauna resurrection, it is often said that it's not possible because DNA degrades too much after a few thousand years. Yet apparently the DNA of this plant was still viable. What am I missing?

Perhaps plant DNA is hardier against time, bacteria, freeze/thaw cycles, etc than animal DNA? I'm not a biologist, so I'd also love to know.

It depends of the species, but polyploidy is common in plants because plants often can work as colonial organisms that can clone itselves.

Is the same problem as to restore a file that is partially distroyed in four or five points. You can still recover the original file if you have five copies, each one with the damage in a different area. Polyploid organisms have several identical security copies of each chromosome. If something in a chromosome is damaged, they can quickly fix the damaged areas using the safety copy saved in his 'twin' chromosome.

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