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HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is concerning as free tools often don't make economic sense. Even more concerning is how casually Joel treats this issue in the Q&A section. He should know better.

Worse than not making economic sense, it opens the door wide for malicious users - I'm sure some guy is already working on setting up JS-based bitcoin miners that just use up these free, no-login servers' CPU capacity, or set up malware sites, child porn hosting, you name it. The barriers - login, mainly - aren't there to annoy users.

I was looking at issues on the c9.io github yesterday and saw someone complaining that he was banned ... after running a minecraft server, slack bots and more lol.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Whenever I use these services they are pretty much never as responsive as a local editor, which is to be expected I guess, but I don't see how this could replace someones dev environment if they're a serious programmer. Big companies are going to want to have a lot more control over the backend and how things are wired together. People just learning will want to know how to actually make things work and not just have…

> I don't see how this could replace someones dev environment if they're a serious programmer.

Joel explicitly says that it does not.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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I really like the concept of this. Especially with node/react I found learning webpack and setting everything up takes FOREVER. Unfortunately, platforms like these always seem ridiculously overpriced when compared to a bare metal dedicated server. I'd be curious to see how it is priced.

I'm a fan of projects like https://github.com/petehunt/rwb

It's a little opinionated but aligns well with the decisions I independently made after spending way too much time learning "build tool bullshit". That said, it's a little rough around the edges and development is not very active.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Whenever I use these services they are pretty much never as responsive as a local editor, which is to be expected I guess, but I don't see how this could replace someones dev environment if they're a serious programmer. Big companies are going to want to have a lot more control over the backend and how things are wired together. People just learning will want to know how to actually make things work and not just have…

There isn't anything special about the HyperDev work flow. You can take any project that runs in HyperDev and `git push heroku master` and have it running on Heroku, or run it locally in a similar manner. HyperDev gives you an environment where you can update and deploy your code without having to set anything up to get started. You can collaborate with anyone by just sending them a link. There will always be a place…

Hmm. I don't know about serving "99% of developers" without support for at least top 10 languages/frameworks, catering for enterprise (which is, in my country, like 50% or more of all jobs for software devs), and an IDE that has at least the most basic of features... but most of all, I do not feel like the blog post or the site itself communicates in any way the two most important feelings I'd like to get as a developer: 1) I'm in control if I need to be, 2) I understand what's going on. These are of course related, but I have neither the sense that I can control things here, nor that I understand what's so special about this. For working alone my own dev machine is better in every regard with the exception of being able to code away from that machine; for working together I would never let a 3rd party provide glue and choice of architecture, security etc. anyway, since anything bigger would likely be a more serious (not more frivolous) endeavour... what am I not getting?

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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We're on the front page of some major sites so things are blowing up a little bit, but we should have it sorted out soon! Thanks for your patience! - A frantic HyperDev developer

Getting 503 error on hyperdev.com. > {"status":"Error","statusCode":503,"statusDetail":"Waiting To Serve for cosmic-panther: No service found running on port"} Nice sense of humour at least ;)

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Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Whenever I use these services they are pretty much never as responsive as a local editor, which is to be expected I guess, but I don't see how this could replace someones dev environment if they're a serious programmer. Big companies are going to want to have a lot more control over the backend and how things are wired together. People just learning will want to know how to actually make things work and not just have…

It's not a serious dev environment. It's a playground with zero setup. If you've never even touched node, you can still start writing it and have it run right now.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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So for folks who've used both, how does this compare to CodePen?

1. Codepen is front-end only, whereas hyperdev runs back-end code as well (node.js)

2. Codepen gives you 1 html, 1 css, and 1 js file per pen... hyperdev lets you have as many front-end and back-end files as you want. (Technically you can have multiple files in a codepen by linking to them, but it's not the primary use-case and is not as in-your-face as hyperdev is).

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