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How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

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Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

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post #8

I can't help but read this like: Let me show you how dangerous sidewalks are by telling you the story about the time I went for a walk while swinging a spiked bat at every passer by. It was great fun, but it demonstrates why sidewalks are dangerous.

How many articles have had the premise "You can't trust wikipedia, because it's full of lies! Why, just look at this handful of lies I've put on there!"

Ironically, Wikipedia seems to be the only place you can actually trust about Street Sharks...

Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

#42
post #18

I honestly don't understand the animosity towards the author. I consider this sort of mischief to be a healthy thing. If you are exposed to true facts constantly, all facts are true, in the same way that a TSA X-ray tech who sees ten thousand not-bombs might miss the one actual bomb. I think of lies and disinformation as good for a mental agility, and an adjunct of storytelling. Is there no space for the trickster in…

Pranks and studying how unsourced information spreads is fine, the "history is meaningless on the internet" claim is probably what people are reacting to.

A lot of mystics use the argument, "because you can be fool here, truth itself does not exist" and sometimes that can be fairly harmful.

Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

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post #18

I honestly don't understand the animosity towards the author. I consider this sort of mischief to be a healthy thing. If you are exposed to true facts constantly, all facts are true, in the same way that a TSA X-ray tech who sees ten thousand not-bombs might miss the one actual bomb. I think of lies and disinformation as good for a mental agility, and an adjunct of storytelling. Is there no space for the trickster in…

If you're referring to my comment and the tree under that, there isn't any animosity whatsoever, just a lack of respect for the notion that the author's own mischief is somehow a sign of how the Internet isn't capable of representing truths, which is absurd.

Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

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None of this is the author's fault. The initial lie was meant as harmless fun, the fact that so many (largely highly regarded) media properties went and spewed it out as fact later on is the real problem. I mean how many times a week do we hear about Old Big Media retweeting nonsense or publishing Onion articles? News sources these days are so programmed to chase every story that there's no room for fact checking and…

What news sources do you use? What is New Media?

Doesn't matter. Pretty much everyone knows most of media publishing is bullshit. After N+1th comment thread debunking a news article I'd thought at least everyone on HN understands that implicitly now. But quite many people agree and then immediately forget about it when the next story hits.

On-line news publishers don't care about accuracy or truth. Period.

Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

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The fact that people have blindly accepted them as false is subtlety proving his point about history on the internet.

the fact that you do not understand that people simply do not care about street sharks does not make his premise intelligent or thought provoking.

Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

#46
post #8

I can't help but read this like: Let me show you how dangerous sidewalks are by telling you the story about the time I went for a walk while swinging a spiked bat at every passer by. It was great fun, but it demonstrates why sidewalks are dangerous.

How many articles have had the premise "You can't trust wikipedia, because it's full of lies! Why, just look at this handful of lies I've put on there!"

But this isn't about someone editing Wikipedia, and saying "look at Wikipedia".

This is about someone editing some minor little website, and then a bunch of companies and other websites copying that information, and then other people saying that information is true and accurate, and even expanding on it with their own memories about the misinformation.

That's the scary thing - that people build on the lie.

I might not trust that little website, but I should be able to trust Netflix.

Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

#47
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. It's more like he was swinging a foam bat and is warning us how easy it would be for someone more malicious to swing a spiked bat. Seriously, I don't really care if some teenager creates a non-sense fanfic world on poorly monitored sites. However, it is noteworthy how the utter lack of quality control on so many Internet properties can propagate falsehoods. This undermines the claim that the Internet was supposed…

> However, it is noteworthy how the utter lack of quality control on so many Internet properties can propagate falsehoods. It's not a "lack of quality control". It's that the internet is data-starved. I'm familiar with how much data is recorded each year, and it seems paradoxical that we could still be data-starved, but it is so. Starving people/organizations ignore all the warning signs. They're desperate for what i…

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Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

#48
post #2

Truth is such a slippery concept. How easy it was to create by a school kid, and how organically it grew over time despite being entirely made up. Imagine how much better people with professional tools and desire can generate much more harmful information than fake Henry Winkler appearances.

Good point. However, he does touch on the fact that since the information was so trivial, not many people cared to vet its validity. Hopefully, people would be more critical of "harmful" information.

"We form rough consensuses based on vast amounts of conflicting data, but who really has the power to verify any of it? This is especially true when the stakes are low. A lot of people will put effort into dispelling rumors that the Moon landing was fake or that Hitler is still alive, sure, but who cares enough about something as meaningless and easy to ignore as Street Sharks to make sure all the information about it online is totally accurate?"

Re: How I turned “Street Sharks” into an online social experiment

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post #26
post #5

So, you lied, but it's someone else's fault? After all, what kind of person would intentionally sow lies about Street Sharks across the internet? Well, not a good one.

Meh. I see this more as god-tier trolling. We have no way to easily tell if this piece is a total lie or a long delayed admission of truth. I'm certainly not ever going to research this to determine if it is valid. And that is what makes the troll god-tier. The nugget of truth he alludes to is then instantly suspect for everything now. Though I may forget that the internet of made up of dogs impersonating people from…

Grandparent probably doesn't consider trolls to be "good people". Of course, with the wisdom of experience one finds that trolling is just another form of rhetoric, neither "good" nor "bad". Good people will troll us to the truth at least as often as bad people will troll us to butthurt.
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