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Credit-Card Debt Nears $1 Trillion as Banks Push Plastic

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post #27

Honest question. There aren't debit cards in the united states? They are simple plastic cards like credit carda but the bank is withdrawing your money directly from your account. There is not debt involved.

Many credit cards have cash-back or other rewards. It's easy to see the dual appeal of the reward, plus a month's worth of float on the payment.

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#42
post #36

Sorry for being pedantic, but the correct term is "could not care less". Otherwise you are suggesting that they do care.

It is of my opinion that if a word or phrase is logically improper but the meaning is widely understood, then societal acceptance grants it validity.

Edit: This post is receiving a fair amount of downvoting. I would be very interested to hear arguments that are not from my own viewpoint.

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#43
post #20

One thing that's unclear for the article: does this include debt that never incurs any interest? I typically have an outstanding balance in the 3-4 figures on my credit card because I pay for rent, gas, and airline tickets with credit. However, it gets paid off every month. I guess that's technically debt, but it's not problematic or anything... I feel like the majority of credit card debt is the type of "debt" that…

How do you pay your rent on a credit card? I'd imagine you do that to get rewards of some kind?

There's a few services that will act as intermediaries for you like https://www.plastiq.com/ which charges 2.5%. I learned about these services on Slickdeals in a discussion on how to quickly rack up credit card reward points. A Google search turns up this list http://www.doctorofcredit.com/complete-list-of-options-for-p... (I'm not affiliated with the author).

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#44
Gather round and I'll tell you a tale of how to lose at the credit card game.

When I turned 18, I got my first credit card. I asked my father "good idea?" and he said yea, good to build up credit. Ok then. A week later, my new card with a whopping limit of $750. Never having experienced not paying with cash I had, it gave me an odd thrill and I went out to eat with my friends and joked "It's like free money!" And despite knowing better, it certainly felt like free money because the numbers didn't change in my bank account. Sure I knew I'd have to pay it off, but whatever, I'd do that later.

Now, like all good citizens, I spent the first couple years always paying off the balance I owed. Nor was it long before credit card offers came to me and I said "hey good to build up credit" and signed up for them. My next big one had something like $1500 limit and I was 19. Soon enough, I was doing great -- my credit was high & debt low -- looks good for credit.

Well, soon enough I was in Boston going to college and working part-time. One day at work, I got another one of these offers and thought "why not?" This time was special though because it asked me what is your household income -- not my income. Well.. my parents didn't make much but we weren't poor either, so I added together the incomes and said my household income was $150k. I felt a bit mischevious putting it down -- was it the truth? What was going to happen? Would they check to see if I made that much?

No, instead, they were more to happy to oblige and gave me (a 20 y/o) a new credit card with $12,500 limit. Holy shit! I thought to myself, I have a LOT of free money! Over the course of the next 4 years in college, I would eat out whenever I pleased and generally kept my credit under control, but slowly & surely my credit usage was rising. Fast forward a few years after that, and I have a total credit line of about 30k -- all maxed out. Was I being outright financially foolish ordering $100 bottles of Chardonnay at the club? Not at all. Was I being financially negligent ordering whatever small thing came my way that I wanted? Yes -- because I could.

So then you find yourself in deep debt, and what do you do? You start paying the minimum off and then re-using that credit. Do you care so much about paying it off? No that seems like an eternity away, paying the minimum is easier. Do you know it's wrong? Of course. Do you care? Not as much as you should.

This my friends is how you lose at the credit card game and end up just paying fees to bank execs. It can be fun, but I do not recommend.

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#45
post #20

One thing that's unclear for the article: does this include debt that never incurs any interest? I typically have an outstanding balance in the 3-4 figures on my credit card because I pay for rent, gas, and airline tickets with credit. However, it gets paid off every month. I guess that's technically debt, but it's not problematic or anything... I feel like the majority of credit card debt is the type of "debt" that…

How do you pay your rent on a credit card? I'd imagine you do that to get rewards of some kind?

My apartment accepts payments by card, but they pass the processing fees to the renter so it costs like 3% extra, which more than cancels out the CC rewards.

My last apartment had the same option, so I think it's pretty common.

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#46

One thing that's unclear for the article: does this include debt that never incurs any interest? I typically have an outstanding balance in the 3-4 figures on my credit card because I pay for rent, gas, and airline tickets with credit. However, it gets paid off every month. I guess that's technically debt, but it's not problematic or anything... I feel like the majority of credit card debt is the type of "debt" that…

There was an eerily prescient 2006 documentary about consumer credit called "Maxed Out," which featured a scene where someone recalled going to a conference of bank and credit card executives, and one of the CC CEOs plainly stated: "The bulk of our profits come from people making minimum payments for the rest of their lives." As for "pay-in-full" folks like you and me, credit card companies could care less. Whenever…

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#47
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you pay your rent on a credit card? I'd imagine you do that to get rewards of some kind?

There's a few services that will act as intermediaries for you like https://www.plastiq.com/ which charges 2.5%. I learned about these services on Slickdeals in a discussion on how to quickly rack up credit card reward points. A Google search turns up this list http://www.doctorofcredit.com/complete-list-of-options-for-p... (I'm not affiliated with the author).

Ya, I've seen these. It seems like the fee would likely be more than the value of the reward making it a losing proposition? Just wondering if the OP found a better way.

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#48
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you pay your rent on a credit card? I'd imagine you do that to get rewards of some kind?

There's a few services that will act as intermediaries for you like https://www.plastiq.com/ which charges 2.5%. I learned about these services on Slickdeals in a discussion on how to quickly rack up credit card reward points. A Google search turns up this list http://www.doctorofcredit.com/complete-list-of-options-for-p... (I'm not affiliated with the author).

How do you make this profitable with a 2.5% service charge?

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#49
post #36

Sorry for being pedantic, but the correct term is "could not care less". Otherwise you are suggesting that they do care.

The initial usage is correct; credit card companies could care less about customers who pay off their balances every month, because such customers generate negligible revenue and are thus on the whole a nuisance.

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#50
post #36

Sorry for being pedantic, but the correct term is "could not care less". Otherwise you are suggesting that they do care.

I've had this conversation a good few times and I quite like "could care less" - to me it implies more choice on the part of the speaker. I COULD care less. I have that capacity. I actively choose not to.

Although this is definitely not how people usually use it.

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