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What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…

You left off Bezos.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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post #35

I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…

If your views are in favour of the repression and marginalisation of others then you will find yourself in the minority in the left coast. I'm sorry, the right hold some pretty reprehensible views on gay marriage, police brutality, the poor and working class, and women's rights. Then, when they are called on their bullshit all of the sudden they are the victim. The rest of the world does not apologise if reality has…

This is the most simplistic, binary thinking. Coke vs. Pepsi. There is more to the World than "Left vs. Right". Such as economic vs. Social. Authoritarian vs. Libertarian is another sliding scale axis and probably more relevant here.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

#45

You obviously live in an echo chamber so let me explain it to you; If you believe that every life is sacred and has intrinsic value simply for being alive, and believe that a fetus is a life at the moment of conception, than abortion is murder and no different than gunning someone down in the street. Therefore abortion should be illegal. This isn't even a religious argument. For your friends that had their contracept…

> "If you believe that every life is sacred and has intrinsic value simply for being alive"

Well first of all there are a whole lot of lives that are not sacred and should be ended as quickly as possible, but that's another discussion. No one is intrinsically valuable in my mind, not on a planet with 6+ billion people on it. No matter how special of a snowflake you think you might be we can probably replace you pretty easily.

Secondly, while I support your theory, the reality is that most babies that would be aborted would be born into poverty, bad marriages, split couples, the offspring of rape/molestations, or the best case scenario: a parent that doesn't want them or likely doesn't feel they can support them. I fail to see what achievements lie ahead for that child other than making the same mistakes we've forced their mother to make.

> "I'm also betting that you are an athiest"

Born Lutheran, I'm not as active as my parents but I get around. I have some agnostic leanings but the existential terror of human beings being the things more or less "in charge" forces me to hope to whatever's out there that someone else has the wheel.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

#46
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What views do you find you can't express?

He mentions Brendan Eich who was ousted from Mozilla for his anti-gay views. I have little sympathy for someone who feels marginalized by views they choose to hold and express when I, as a gay man, could be marginalized simply for who I am, something I did NOT choose. While most people may be able to just put their political opinions on the shelf, any time discussion turns towards family or after-work hobbies I have…

There was no evidence Eich was anti-gay. It was discovered he had donated to Prop 8, the California initiative which restated the status quo, that marriage is between one man and one woman, and which passed by a majority of California voters. For that political donation, he was ostracized and effectively run out of his job in Silicon Valley.

San Francisco has always been one of the most liberal cities in the country, so it is no surprise to me that a liberal political bias is inherent in Silicon Valley companies. The issue arises when this bias is combined with the enormous power some of these young companies have in order to abuse those whose political views are not the same as theirs.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What views do you find you can't express?

He mentions Brendan Eich who was ousted from Mozilla for his anti-gay views. I have little sympathy for someone who feels marginalized by views they choose to hold and express when I, as a gay man, could be marginalized simply for who I am, something I did NOT choose. While most people may be able to just put their political opinions on the shelf, any time discussion turns towards family or after-work hobbies I have…

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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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post #37

I find this article a bit ironic, given that Glenn Beck spent years at Fox News stirring up the ornery attitudes that he denounces here.

Well, his point is that he thought he was attacking people who wanted a special treatment in life, and now he found himself aligned with people who were doing that exact thing. It wasn't really about being aggressive per se.

He's always been an ultraconservative nutjob and I don't see that changing, but it's refreshing to see someone showing he can see the problems with his own argument and can self-criticize a bit. Tomorrow we'll go back to our scheduled program of people shouting at each other, but can't we happy that today is a good day, for once? :)

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean these CEO's narcissistic, self-righteous, power-obsessed business leaders? Pretty sure they are. You mean they aren't helping the US Gov't spy on us? Pretty sure they are. You mean they aren't throwing their economic weight around in the USA to oppose republican measures while cutting deals with oppressive totalitarian leaders (China, Saudi Arabia, etc.) in order to sell product? Pretty sure they are.

But is this a "liberal vs conservative" issue or a "big money vs the public" issue? There are plenty of other companies that throw their weight around to oppose Democrats while cutting deals with totalitarians. And other companies that donate to both sides just to make sure, such as the arms industry?

I think it was mostly dumb luck in the beginning, but "liberal vs conservative" is the best distraction from "big money vs the public" in our lifetimes.
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