i'm phasing out my laptops' hdd-with-bad-sectors by putting those into desktop and call them fud = fuck-u-drives
HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
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Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
An $8,000 drive only serves to prove this point.
That drive certainly is a bit strange. For one, I would imagine lot of the potential performance is wasted by a SAS connector. That said, it might be of interest to enterprises from a few different angles (largest drive available for that form factor, easier to manage, great performance, etc). Anything that widens adoption will serve to drive prices even lower. SSDs don't necessarily beat HDDs on price per GB, they j…
> And as the original poster pointed out, for many that's already the case.
Because we're seeing, at the same time, a drive away from owning media and instead streaming them, and/or storing data increasingly in The Cloud® and only having a small working set locally.
All those off-loaded will have to be stored somewhere by someone, and that someone will most likely keep using spinning rust for its better price.
And if you do want to keep all your data locally (e.g. because you're living in Nowhere Innawoods and ISPs struggle to get you 6 MBit/s), HDDs can't keep getting bigger and cheaper fast enough.
Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
That drive certainly is a bit strange. For one, I would imagine lot of the potential performance is wasted by a SAS connector. That said, it might be of interest to enterprises from a few different angles (largest drive available for that form factor, easier to manage, great performance, etc). Anything that widens adoption will serve to drive prices even lower. SSDs don't necessarily beat HDDs on price per GB, they j…
> And as the original poster pointed out, for many that's already the case. Because we're seeing, at the same time, a drive away from owning media and instead streaming them, and/or storing data increasingly in The Cloud® and only having a small working set locally. All those off-loaded will have to be stored somewhere by someone, and that someone will most likely keep using spinning rust for its better price. And if…
That's an interesting point, though I suspect it's slightly overstated. I'm sure there's several scenarios that demand huge amounts of storage - e.g. storing HD series, etc - but I'd argue that it isn't mainstream in the greater scheme of things. Heck, I have a 2mbit ADSL line (since I'm living in the arse end of nowhere), and my primary PC has 3x250GB spinnies and a 100GB SSD, no cloud storage. I have a 2TB external for long-term backups. I haven't bothered to replace the HDDs, because honestly I don't really need to. And I'm sure I'm not a special case.
Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#44With stagnating broadband speed and lack of ultra high quality content out there it is hard to fill a drive.
Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
2009 Mac Pro 2.66 quad here. just did a 3.46 hex cpu upgrade. 32GB 1333 RAM sm951 AHCI pcie m2 boot drive (700MB/700MB) nvidia 1080 when it comes out. bootcamp for games. 40" 4K Philips in os x for everything else.
If you want ultimate speed then take the RAM module out of Slot 4 because that CPU natively wants a triple-channel arrangement
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Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#46Maybe we don't need bigger drives? For installing software disk size has been irrelevant for some time - we always have space for software. Maybe after we have always space for films - then there is no other thing to fill up the disks?
Where do you store videos and music you work on? Where you do you store containers or vms or build artifacts for software development? Prices of SSDs have to come down at least 5 times to be in any way comparable (10x actually to match $/GB but 5x would be huge).
We absolutely need bigger drives because we will have bigger files. Think video (4k, 8k, VR, HDR), archive of operating system images for development, data to use for ML, NixOS style immutable operating systems, all the data from your personal IoT gadgets. Readily available larger storage gives us many benefits:
1. requirement for OS stack to adapt (think ZFS)
2. doing things we wouldn't consider possible at home before
3. more complete backups with history
By enabling new things for the masses, we enable the development of new stuff by people in their free time.
Let's not mix tablet/phone use of storage with that of computers with keyboard+mice.
Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And as the original poster pointed out, for many that's already the case. Because we're seeing, at the same time, a drive away from owning media and instead streaming them, and/or storing data increasingly in The Cloud® and only having a small working set locally. All those off-loaded will have to be stored somewhere by someone, and that someone will most likely keep using spinning rust for its better price. And if…
That's an interesting point, though I suspect it's slightly overstated. I'm sure there's several scenarios that demand huge amounts of storage - e.g. storing HD series, etc - but I'd argue that it isn't mainstream in the greater scheme of things. Heck, I have a 2mbit ADSL line (since I'm living in the arse end of nowhere), and my primary PC has 3x250GB spinnies and a 100GB SSD, no cloud storage. I have a 2TB external…
> I'm sure there's several scenarios that demand huge amounts of storage - e.g. storing HD series, etc - but I'd argue that it isn't mainstream in the greater scheme of things.
That was my point; almost nobody is storing HD series anymore because people want to (and in many cases legally are only able to) stream them instead.
Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#48>>> Despite the drop in HDD unit shipments, both sequentially and year-over-year, total capacities shipped by the two leading makers of hard drives increased in Q1
Somehow misleading title. You don't buy a HDD, you buy storage capacity, and this metric is increasing, so it seems that the HDD industry is pretty healthy.
Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#49Spinning disks still have their uses though. For example, they're ideal for a low-to-moderate amount of disk activity, and they last longer. Just make sure you schedule a daily defragment. Spinning disks are also great for 'cold storage' of files. I wouldn't store anything worthwhile on an SSD though because of their fail-rate. SSDs of course have their use cases too, but there are many trade-offs to using them exclusively for everything. I know people who exclusively work with SSDs naively thinking they're a progression from spinning disks. Not actually the case!
Re: HDD Shipments Down 20% in Q1 2016, Hit Multi-Year Low
#50As far as I can tell, this doesn't include SSDs. Spinning drive shipments are down -- I say GOOD RIDDANCE! I run a repair shop, and one of the top computer repairs we do is to upgrade a spinning disk to a SSD. A 240GB SSD runs $60-$65 these days, and is perfectly adequate for 99% of users. For that other 1% (which I include myself in) 512GB is adequate for 90% of those. HDD -> SSD is the single most cost-effective up…
is SSD reliable? With no moving parts, it ssd should be more reliable, but that's not apparently the case. What's your experience? Also, have you seen case of SSD data loss due as result of not powering up for couple years?
Most problems come from sudden powerloss.