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Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#41

Post by kuschku »

6a68 wrote: post #35
rhinoceraptor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great! So now in like 2 years, hopefully I can simply use type="time" instead of implementing a half baked JS time picker or time validator. It's frustrating seeing them spend so much time on Firefox OS, Hello, etc. and not on making Firefox a really good, standards compliant browser.

I hear your frustration; people inside the company found some of those changes frustrating, too. Test Pilot is a step in a new direction that's more participatory and inclusive of the community, and injects a lot of data into the decision-making process. As far as web standards go, Gecko's the only open-source browser controlled by a nonprofit. The alternative is a webkit monoculture, a world controlled by Apple and…

btw, regarding UI and extensibility, a suggestion that many advanced users want to give is: look at Vivaldi ;)

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

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Post by lucb1e »

callahad wrote: post #27
rhinoceraptor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great! So now in like 2 years, hopefully I can simply use type="time" instead of implementing a half baked JS time picker or time validator. It's frustrating seeing them spend so much time on Firefox OS, Hello, etc. and not on making Firefox a really good, standards compliant browser.

You asked us to implement X. We confirmed that we've begun work on implementing X and provided a way you can follow the progress. You then chose to respond with sarcasm and disdain. What productive outcome could we possibly reach from that exchange?

> What productive outcome could we possibly reach from that exchange?

To advocate the devil, s/he'd like to change future plans. You did confirm it's being worked on, but the comment you're responding to tries to get you (mozilla) to work on implementing standards more often.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'm underinformed (though I also ran into Firefox not having input types and am also not a fan of recent experiments, I can't tell whether the concept of doing such experiments isn't worth doing), I'm just pointing out there is something behind the negative sarcasm.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#44

Post by dingaling »

What a curious page; just blank-white in Firefox 46.0 on Linux with this output in the console:

"You have google analytics blocked. We understand. Take a look at our privacy policy to see how we handle your data."

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#45

Post by Aldo_MX »

kibwen wrote: post #37
Aldo_MX wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine print: CCing a bug doesn't mean it will be addressed in a timely manner, it may take 10 years[1] but in the meantime you'll receive 2,147,483,647 mails of other people "me too"-ing and discussing about the bug. [1] Not exaggerating: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390936

Having a ten year-old bug isn't a mark of shame, if anything it's laudable when a project doesn't take the easy way out by silently closing ancient bugs like most projects do. Bugs should be fixed according to importance and priority, not simply according to age.

The problem is that "importance and priority" are pretty much subjective terms, for example, for many people Hello or Pocket were everything but a priority.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#46

Post by tux3 »

I have to say I love the concept, and I'm very happy with my brand new tabs on the side.

That said I did find a bug and I have some performance problems to report, but it's not clear to me where I can report a bug for a particular experiment.

It looks like the feedback button wants me to fill out a whole satisfaction survey, and "File in issue" takes me to the test pilot github, which seems to be about the Test Pilot program in general.

Is there a better place to report bugs?

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#47

Post by 6a68 »

dingaling wrote: post #44

What a curious page; just blank-white in Firefox 46.0 on Linux with this output in the console: "You have google analytics blocked. We understand. Take a look at our privacy policy to see how we handle your data."

You need to have JavaScript enabled to use the site

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#48

Post by lol768 »

6a68 wrote: post #24
lol768 wrote: post #13

Not entirely sure why this requires a Firefox account. It appears possible to install the mentioned add-ons manually: Tab Center appears to be available from http://people.mozilla.org/~bwinton/TabCenter/ Universal search: (edit: link here was incorrect) Activity streams: https://moz-activity-streams.s3.amazonaws.com/dist/latest.ht...

Hey, that's actually the wrong link for the search add-on. What you've downloaded is a deprecated earlier prototype that may not work at all--you're looking at the wrong github repo. (I just took down the built add-on, so other people don't make the same mistake.) Test Pilot is about reconnecting desktop Firefox with its community; it's about more than just whatever add-ons are available today. We have feedback forms…

Thanks for the heads-up regarding that link, I've edited the post just to try and prevent any confusion.

I can totally understand wanting more community involvement in the feedback process and with this context, the account requirement makes a lot more sense. Thanks for explaining some of that reasoning. I only wish this was documented a bit better on the site - I guess it just appeared a little unwelcoming to me with the sign-in requirement at first.

Now that I've actually tried it, the site itself is very slick and the experiments I've played with look pretty interesting. I look forward to seeing how things develop.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#49

Post by Blaaguuu »

dingaling wrote: post #44

What a curious page; just blank-white in Firefox 46.0 on Linux with this output in the console: "You have google analytics blocked. We understand. Take a look at our privacy policy to see how we handle your data."

Huh... I'm on Chrome in Windows 10, and I have Google Analytics blocked, and the rest of the page loads fine for me.

Re: Firefox Test Pilot

#50

Post by dfc »

Why do we encourage users to override security protections? I click "get started now", and am presented with a warning message reminiscent of an ssl cert error. In general when users see the "this site is trying to install software" warning message I hope they become suspicious and do something else (certainly not override the warning dialog). I am not entirely sure why that should not be the case now. I am inclined to think that mozilla is an organization with "good" technology and principles. But if that is the case why cant they get the left hand to talk to the right hand and install test pilot in a manner that does not teach users that its okay to override the security warning dialogs?
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