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Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by tkahn6 »

alabut wrote: post #30
yanw wrote: post #15

Way to stifle innovation, Apple. incumbents and lawyers getting what they want, fantastic system ...

Innovation and theft are two different things. Forget the hardware and architecture patents - I'm sick of design being treated as a commodity that's assumed to be freely copyable, simply because it's a user interface rather than a hardware element. Just as many hours and insights went into making the iPhone UI as it did the physical device.

Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image

Maybe hindsight is just 20/20, but "slide to unlock" seems to be something pretty obvious.

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by flogic »

alabut wrote: post #30
yanw wrote: post #15

Way to stifle innovation, Apple. incumbents and lawyers getting what they want, fantastic system ...

Innovation and theft are two different things. Forget the hardware and architecture patents - I'm sick of design being treated as a commodity that's assumed to be freely copyable, simply because it's a user interface rather than a hardware element. Just as many hours and insights went into making the iPhone UI as it did the physical device.

Given the current pace of technology, I don't think patents should exist period.

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by wallflower »

raptrex wrote: post #29
jsmcgd wrote: post #7

Which particular patents are in question?

Digital Daily has the documents http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100302/apples-suits-aga... Gizmodo has a summary of the patents: The ‘331 Patent, entitled "Time-Based, Non-Constant Translation Of User Interface Objects Between States," was duly and legally issued on April 22, 2008 by the United States Patent and Trademark Office. The ‘949 Patent, entitled "Touch Screen Device, Method, And Graphical User Interfac…

NSNotificationQueue?!

I mean I love how easy it makes doing, say, dispatching a network update request and updating the CoreData model and refreshing the table rows when it's done but really?

"Object-Oriented Event Notification System With Listener Registration Of Both Interests And Methods"

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by Roridge »

pg wrote: post #31

If this had happened a day earlier I don't think I would have posted that RFS. Apple is inching ever closer to evil, and I worry that there's no one within the company who can stand up to Jobs and tell him so.

It's all about control.. I often wonder if Apple have become the man in the screen, instead of the woman with the hammer.

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by davidw »

pg wrote: post #31

If this had happened a day earlier I don't think I would have posted that RFS. Apple is inching ever closer to evil, and I worry that there's no one within the company who can stand up to Jobs and tell him so.

Apple has always been about very firm control. I don't think it's necessarily "evil", but it's not a world I want to live in, either.

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by lutorm »

nuclear_eclipse wrote: post #19
[deleted] wrote: post #17

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Considering you can't sue a device, they're suing HTC...

Couldn't they sue all users of Android devices then? The complaint seems to indicated that users are infringing when they use the devices.

But maybe that would tip people off to how screwed up the system is...

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by nailer »

HTC should countersue (if Apple are actually trying to sue HTC over HTC's technology and not Google's).

HTC pushed pure touch-based phones for years before Apple released the iPhone in 2007 and should have a reasonable patent portfolio they can use against trolls like this.

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by raganwald »

razzmataz wrote: post #26
raganwald wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's success is based on its polish and attention to detail If that's the case, why can't they drop OS X and iPhone and simply make clones, just clones with polish and attention to detail? You want to have your cake and eat it too: You want Apple to innovate and you want everyone else to leverage their innovation freely. I understand why that's in your best interests, I can't figure out why Apple would bother if e…

>If that's the case, why can't they drop OS X and iPhone and simply make clones, just clones with polish and attention to detail? Because OS X and the iPhone are part of that polish and attention to detail.

It was a rhetorical question!

But responding to your explanation, if competitors are free to "adopt" Apple's innovations, why can't competitor's "adopt" OS X and iPhone by copying them feature for feature, polish for polish, detail for detail, simply changing logos and writing "Hello from Dreary Seattle" on the back?

It is not obvious to me how "polish and attention to detail" are going to be a competitive advantage in a world where competitors have the unrestricted right to adopt Apple's innovations.

I suggest that part of why Apple is able to differentiate with polish and attention to detail is our existing barriers to adopting other people's innovations.

Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement

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Post by tumult »

tkahn6 wrote: post #41
alabut wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Innovation and theft are two different things. Forget the hardware and architecture patents - I'm sick of design being treated as a commodity that's assumed to be freely copyable, simply because it's a user interface rather than a hardware element. Just as many hours and insights went into making the iPhone UI as it did the physical device.

Unlocking A Device By Performing Gestures On An Unlock Image Maybe hindsight is just 20/20, but "slide to unlock" seems to be something pretty obvious.

Not at the time. I remember people chuckling aloud the first time they saw it. "Hah! Clever!" Steve Jobs even repeats it multiple times in the original iPhone keynote to demonstrate.

I still don't think they should have a patent for it.

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