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How Android gets to 100% market share

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Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by forgettableuser »

SeanDav wrote: post #34
forgettableuser wrote: post #23

This author has a pretty cynical view that the only reason people use iPhone is because of vendor lock-in, like from iMessage. This disregards the fact that many iPhone customers are still first time buyers with no lock in hanging over their head. And also Apple has an extremely high customer satisfaction rate keeping customers coming back. Customers buy iPhones because they like the experience and ecosystem, not sol…

First time buyers generally base their choices on the opinions and views of more experienced people, often within their circle of friends, family and acquaintances. It is quite conceivable that a first time buyer is making their choice because of the vendor lock-in of their peers.

That's called a recommendation, not a lock-in.

The author also argued that Apple's lock-in like iMessage isn't really working. Thus, this is how Android gets to 100%.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by vetinari »

Oletros wrote: post #3
marvel_boy wrote: post #2

"Anecdotally, one of the most frequently cited reasons among iPhone users for staying with iOS is that they love the “blue bubbles.” No way. I don't use iMessage (instead I use Whatsup) but I dont consider Android. I have a Motorola G3 also (work) but the Os is confusing, slow and crash frequently.

The OS slow and crash frequently?

Didn't you know? Windows on circa 2009 Atom netbook is also slow and crashes frequently, therefore Windows is a bad, slow, crashy OS.

(Tongue in cheek, obviously).

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by blackoil »

IkmoIkmo wrote: post #6
marvel_boy wrote: post #2

"Anecdotally, one of the most frequently cited reasons among iPhone users for staying with iOS is that they love the “blue bubbles.” No way. I don't use iMessage (instead I use Whatsup) but I dont consider Android. I have a Motorola G3 also (work) but the Os is confusing, slow and crash frequently.

Yeah, cmon... Text messages sent per day peaked in 2011 and have declined ever since, we're now half a decade later. In fact just last month we heard FB and Whatsapp process 60 billion daily messages and growing, SMS 20 billion and dropping. Further, a decent chunk of those SMS messages are from feature phones, i.e. on an iPhone the SMS to IM ratio is more significant than 1:3 and again, growing. Early on, especially…

Most SMS, I receive right now are promotional messages or transactional messages from bank, airlines etc. Friend and Family have stopped sending SMS for a while now.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

This post seems to ignore some huge points. Google can only solve fragmentation by closing the platform, and ending it's primary incentive to manufacturers. Meanwhile, the agreement it would need to use to do that, is already such an overreach, that it's being gone after for antitrust in several countries. In order to reach this Google fanboy's utopia, the agreement would need to get much more illegal than it is now.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by pjmlp »

Oletros wrote: post #29
pjmlp wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did develop for J2ME. > With J2ME it was basically close to impossible to create any app apart from the most basic ones without producer-specific APIs. Nokia, Siemens, Samsung, Motorola, etc. - they all had their own special extensions. Even if some game was released for more than one handset, each make had its own version. How is this different from the firmware issues that plague Android? Have you ever tried to m…

> How is this different from the firmware issues that plague Android? What "firmware issues plague Android? > Whoever believes that Android is better than J2ME, never had to make their apps work on cheap or network specific Android devices. This must be a joke

> What "firmware issues plague Android?

Apparently you lack reading comprehension as I listed two of them.

> This must be a joke

So here are a some more jokes specially just for you:

https://github.com/google/iosched/issues/79

http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/samsung-devices-migh...

http://verybadalloc.com/android/2015/12/19/special-place-for...

https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=firmwa...

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by JohnTHaller »

vlan0 wrote: post #28
patwolf wrote: post #24

My grandfather was a Ford man. He would only ever buy a Ford, even during periods when other manufacturers were making vastly superior vehicles. I used to think such loyalty was a silly generational thing. My generation was a fickle consumer. We would research and decide on a purchase based purely on merit. That's how I was with phones. When iPhone was the most compelling phone, I would buy an iPhone. When there was…

I find a lot of those brand loyalist tend to be foolish in many ways. They make decisions based on emotion, rather than analytical thought. I worked in retail for a good part of a decade, and I was dumbfounded by the number of people who would never buy another product from X manufacture based on a single poor experience with one product. It's simply an emotional response to their unpleasant experience which results…

You mean someone who spends days sleeping on the sidewalk in a tent to buy the new version of a pocket computer isn't buying based on analytical thought?

The thing is, I can understand staying up late and going to a midnight release of something like folks have done for a new Harry Potter book or a new Halo release. Following that up with staying up late reading the stories of the characters you already know to find out what happens next after waiting for a year. Or buying Halo with a buddy to head home and play the story in co-op for a few hours to have fun and see what the next chapter of the story is. With each of those emotion comes into play but for a reason and a purpose. But, in each case, you're satisfying a curiosity of what happens to a story/characters and you're spending no more than maybe 20 minutes of your time. Plus, you get to incorporate it into a fun evening with friends (having dinner and playing games for a couple hours before heading to the store to grab the game and coming back and playing for a couple hours). But, camping out for days to buy a new version of a pocket computer designed for consumption of content just seems silly.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by hammock »

forgettableuser wrote: post #23

This author has a pretty cynical view that the only reason people use iPhone is because of vendor lock-in, like from iMessage. This disregards the fact that many iPhone customers are still first time buyers with no lock in hanging over their head. And also Apple has an extremely high customer satisfaction rate keeping customers coming back. Customers buy iPhones because they like the experience and ecosystem, not sol…

I never thought of iMessage as vendor lock-in before, but the blue vs green texts is the #1 reason I hear from my peers why they disparage Android users

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by dkopi »

spriggan3 wrote: post #25
amelius wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, except that as a developer I'd prefer to target only one architecture. Now we're forced to write apps for iOS and Android and the web separately.

> True, except that as a developer I'd prefer to target only one architecture. Now we're forced to write apps for iOS and Android and the web separately. How is it a bad thing ? more work == more money for you as a developer.

More work == more developers needed to get the same job done == less productivity == lower wages.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by SeanDav »

forgettableuser wrote: post #41
SeanDav wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First time buyers generally base their choices on the opinions and views of more experienced people, often within their circle of friends, family and acquaintances. It is quite conceivable that a first time buyer is making their choice because of the vendor lock-in of their peers.

That's called a recommendation, not a lock-in. The author also argued that Apple's lock-in like iMessage isn't really working. Thus, this is how Android gets to 100%.

It is a recommendation based on lock-in. Of course it is not an absolute, but also of course it is highly likely that if there is vendor lock-in, it will greatly impact decisions of first time buyers.

To put it another way, if everyone you know is using ACME OS, then it is highly likely you will start off by using ACME OS.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by Gracana »

pjmlp wrote: post #45
Oletros wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How is this different from the firmware issues that plague Android? What "firmware issues plague Android? > Whoever believes that Android is better than J2ME, never had to make their apps work on cheap or network specific Android devices. This must be a joke

> What "firmware issues plague Android? Apparently you lack reading comprehension as I listed two of them. > This must be a joke So here are a some more jokes specially just for you: https://github.com/google/iosched/issues/79 http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/samsung-devices-migh... http://verybadalloc.com/android/2015/12/19/special-place-for... https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=firmwa...

I'm experiencing a great low-level bug right now. Last week Google released an update that breaks SSL in chrome, google now, and the search bar. Apparently this phone has a buggy neon unit and their latest update broke the check that would detect the problem and disable the offending instructions. Even for a company with experience and talent like Google, and even having seen this bug before, they still released this code that breaks most things on my phone, and there has not been a fix for six days now. I can't imagine being a small developer trying to handle quirks like this in the vast array of phones on the market.
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