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Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by sremani » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:23 PM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #31

Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

A project under MIT license and accepting PR is good enough for me and is an open source project by definition.

No one is taking away your right to hate Microsoft, but picking OSS as bull-work of your argument is not there any more.

edit: bull-work(tm)

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by coldtea » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:23 PM UTC

Cyph0n wrote: post #38

What I don't understand is why they had to purge the commit history. Did they not use Git internally? Do the commits contain sensitive information? Does it make it easier to clone the repo?

>Do the commits contain sensitive information?

Very likely.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by Aldo_MX » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:23 PM UTC

dintech wrote: post #39

Now RoboVM too please. It's almost criminal that they canned it.

There's BugVM[1], a maintained fork of the FOSS RoboVM

[1] http://bugvm.com/

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by Aldo_MX » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:24 PM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #2

This is amazing! But question - where is RoboVM? Please release to MIT license so it doesn't waste all of the work done so far.

RoboVM was forked, the fork is named BugVM[1], and it's currently maintained.

[1] http://bugvm.com/

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by nivla » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:27 PM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #31

Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

>Honestly, say what you will about Google, but I can't imagine them ever threatening another software company with software patents.

That is a naive fanboy outlook towards a company. Its a well known fact that Google bought Motorola only for the patents. Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Although I still believe it is the game that is flawed and not the players. Google has also done things that could hold back the Windows Phone ecosystem. However, none of that should discount how much Google has contributed to betterment of the web just like Facebook or Microsoft. Open-Source is open source, the only thing that matters is license here and it is as liberal as it could get MIT.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by treehau5 » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:29 PM UTC

sremani wrote: post #41

jeswin wrote: post #31

Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

A project under MIT license and accepting PR is good enough for me and is an open source project by definition. No one is taking away your right to hate Microsoft, but picking OSS as bull-work of your argument is not there any more. edit: bull-work(tm)

> A project under MIT license and accepting PR is good enough for me

He is not pretending to be an arbiter but speaking generally to what many people, including myself, believe. And in any case, you attempted to refute what you reduced down to his own subjective opinion, with your own subjective opinion.

Working against software patents is part of the larger essence of OSS, and it was just a specific example of it. If you are for software patents, and somehow magically "for" open source, then you aren't really "Open Source" you are just hiding behind that facade so you can now accept free labor when it serves your purposes.

So, in that regard, it isn't difficult to see where the negative sentiment is coming from in regard's to the recent media blast of the "new Microsoft."

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by munificent » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:31 PM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #31

Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

> To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents.

See: http://www.cnet.com/news/google-microsoft-settle-long-runnin...

It is very hard for large software companies to unilaterally work against software patents because it puts them at a competitive disadvantage, at least temporarily. It's sort of like arms limitation talks where you can't put down your nukes before anyone else does or it's an open invitation to attack.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by munificent » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:32 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #42

Cyph0n wrote: post #38

What I don't understand is why they had to purge the commit history. Did they not use Git internally? Do the commits contain sensitive information? Does it make it easier to clone the repo?

> Do the commits contain sensitive information? Very likely.

Or, more likely, no one wants to spend the time to exhaustively prove that they do not contain sensitive information.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by csours » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:32 PM UTC

sremani wrote: post #41

jeswin wrote: post #31

Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

A project under MIT license and accepting PR is good enough for me and is an open source project by definition. No one is taking away your right to hate Microsoft, but picking OSS as bull-work of your argument is not there any more. edit: bull-work(tm)

OT Nitpick: I think you mean bulwark: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bulwark

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by pjmlp » Wed, Apr 27, 2016, 5:34 PM UTC

jeswin wrote: post #31

Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

Like IBM and Intel?