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The Chaos and the Craftsmanship of Shenzhen

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Re: The Chaos and the Craftsmanship of Shenzhen

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> everything someone creates is always built upon the knowledge of others Right. Sure. These are the kinds of beliefs often verbalized by people who never risked their own time and money to solve hard problems and had to face the risk and reality of the Chinese (or others) stealing the results of that effort. Here's the difference, the "R" in "R&D" is the most expensive part. The "D" is cheap. By stealing they get th…

What is the hard problem you were trying to solve?

I'll just say it was a very hard problem in imaging. A solution involving the confluence of hardware, optics, software and real-time FPGA-based very high resolution image processing. We even had to go as far as to develop manufacturing techniques that involved assembling electronics in a vacuum chamber.

Given the application I can't say any more than that.

Re: The Chaos and the Craftsmanship of Shenzhen

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I've lived in Beijing for the last 8.5 years working in tech. We all thought the last decade was when everything was going to happen, and most of us were disappointed when it didn't. Granted, when I first moved here, the pollution wasn't as bad, the censorship wasn't as bad, but things changed. Perhaps China might start on an upward opening up trajectory again, but it has been closing up since 2008 (great if you want…

It's incredible how closed off they seem to be in general and how little mention it gets in most press coverage of the supposed Chinese miracle. For example, Ian from Dangerous Prototypes wrote a blog post about how difficult it is to import and export goods: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2016/02/04/how-to-china-impor... It's astoundingly bureaucratic and expensive.

> It's incredible how closed off they seem to be in general

It's not surprising if you think about the difference between free speech and having censorship laws that limit peasants. I learned that when I first traveled around Asia.

Your ability to be creative is limited in China. People there can't make art that makes fun of Mao. They can't protest against local police corruption. They can't form groups that appear to be anti-government. For all of this you can be tossed in jail for a few days. Jail is demoralizing and disruptive.

If your contribution to society comes through speech that the government does not like, you'll be put down. You'll end up less willing to contribute to society than Americans who hate their bosses. Instead of a bad boss, it's a bad country leader, and that's much much harder to get out from under.

I suppose one day everyone in China could just decide to go to jail peacefully; that would be unmanageable for the government.. it could take a lot of noise to get that message out and there is some risk of violence. Police sometimes see themselves as judge and jury, and in China where speaking can be against the law, violence against peaceful protesters is not unheard of even in 2016.

Before I came to Asia I did not think much about free speech. If you asked me what made America great before I moved here, I'd have said it's complex. I wasn't even sure America is great.

Now I would say it's more simple: true democratic governments are not allowed to throw people in jail for speaking their minds.

The first step China can take towards sustainable economic growth, better research and education, is to prevent the government from imprisoning people for speaking their minds. You really need as many people thinking creatively and working hard as possible in order to be competitive. Society is about working together and digging out the best ideas. It's not about silencing people.

Until then, expect to see the most intelligent Chinese continue to leave to live elsewhere, pollution to rage further out of control, and free countries' companies to come and go from China. China's judicial system is worse than the free countries' for the same reason.

Re: The Chaos and the Craftsmanship of Shenzhen

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Building a fab costs ~$8bn now, does Intel spend that in research ? They report (like everyone) R&D, but I bet the majority is D. Delivering a product is very different from making a component (like a platter) - the safety testing, reliability engineering and all the other elements of development are expensive and labour intensive.

You are missing the point. You are thinking "expensive" is equal to "more money". Expensive, in this context, means far more than money. For example, risk. Sometimes company-ending risk. I said "R" is expensive because it is often packaged with uncertainty. You have no idea if something is going to work or if people will even be receptive to the product. Take SpaceX's landing rockets as an example. Hard and very expe…

My comment was

"I think R cost is low, creating a poc is about 100th of the cost of a product (a proper product) but the risk of R is huge and therefore it's very hard to sustain and justify."

Which I think you have provided some good supporting statements for. I must really be missing something here.. Not sure what though!

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