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Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

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They do- one company found a warrant on me that I didn't know I had for an unpaid traffic ticket.

Do you know where one would go to perform an accurate background check on oneself?

I use https://www.e-renter.com to screen potential tenants along with http://www.experian.com/connect/ for credit checks.

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

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Am I the only one to think that all this narrative to blame Bob is pathetic ? This is pure and simple Mr. Voorhees (CEO) incompetency. After all, Bob is a criminal and he was just doing his "job".

No. There are Bobs everywhere. Do your job, and Bob doesn't rip you off. Leave Bob to the courts - blaming Bob is like blaming your dog for stealing your lunch, or a wave for soaking you on the shore. You will not hurt Bob's feelings. edit: Bob didn't betray you. Your friends and family betray you. Bob stole from you.

Semantics aside, if this story is to be believed the unknown hacker theif was even a bit put out by Bob. Especially if they guy robbed his employer after compromising & sabotaging key infrastructure and tech, then selling that to other people to exploit.

I mean, that's baseline treachery right there.

I like shapeshift and have used it a bit. If you(generic) hate them, alt currency, or the CEO, I think it is fair to say that Bob is pretty shitty. Yes there are sociopaths and criminals everywhere. If you have met a sociopath in real life, it isn't simply a myth that they are charming and appear normal. So I agree with the sentiment that you should expect bad things at your company, but you seem to imply:

1. it should have been obvious Bob was a criminal

2. Bob is blameless?

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

#43

Man, calling a social security number a "social serfdom number" is really dumb and off putting. So is the continual reference to 'fiat money' constantly. I always love the irony of people so against the basic social contract are always so quick to turn to authorities when things predictably go wrong.

Would you call a communist a hypocrite for buying food at a grocery store?

Only if they were forced to buy food at a grocery store because their farm communes ran out of food because no one wanted to work on it.

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

#44

Man, calling a social security number a "social serfdom number" is really dumb and off putting. So is the continual reference to 'fiat money' constantly. I always love the irony of people so against the basic social contract are always so quick to turn to authorities when things predictably go wrong.

Would you call a communist a hypocrite for buying food at a grocery store?

If they led / lived in a communist area, yes.

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

#45
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You might appreciate http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertaria...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/nlpd-non...

While I think both of these are great, it still doesn't explain calling it "social serfdom number".

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

#46

"We had changed almost everything, but hadn’t scrapped our personal computers used while Bob had been part of the team. Would that have been the paranoid thing to do? Yes." At my humble and refreshingly drama-free place of work we have standard client images. Anything weird and the techies re-image the client. Assuming 'Bob' wasn't in charge of the images, would such a procedure have sorted the rdp?

Maybe.

The larger question was why did Bob have root access to people's individual laptops? He could have done a "snowden", grabbed their SSH keys including passphrases. That would have been much harder to detect.

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

#47

It seems odd to me that "Bob" hasn't been outed. It almost makes me suspect that someone isn't sure how much of "Bob's" role as portrayed in TFA is true and how much is a frame-job by an untouchable hacker [EDIT:] or wishful thinking by a frustrated executive.

> It seems odd to me that "Bob" hasn't been outed.

Since Bob hasn't been criminally charged with anything, "outing" him is legally "libel". He could sue, and win.

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

#48

Man, calling a social security number a "social serfdom number" is really dumb and off putting. So is the continual reference to 'fiat money' constantly. I always love the irony of people so against the basic social contract are always so quick to turn to authorities when things predictably go wrong.

Whole article tl;dr: randian libertarian idealist buttcoin people are extremely surprised to discover that a black market economy turns out to actually contain real blackhats.

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

#49

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No. There are Bobs everywhere. Do your job, and Bob doesn't rip you off. Leave Bob to the courts - blaming Bob is like blaming your dog for stealing your lunch, or a wave for soaking you on the shore. You will not hurt Bob's feelings. edit: Bob didn't betray you. Your friends and family betray you. Bob stole from you.

Semantics aside, if this story is to be believed the unknown hacker theif was even a bit put out by Bob. Especially if they guy robbed his employer after compromising & sabotaging key infrastructure and tech, then selling that to other people to exploit. I mean, that's baseline treachery right there. I like shapeshift and have used it a bit. If you(generic) hate them, alt currency, or the CEO, I think it is fair to s…

1. You're reading something I didn't say. Edit: What should have been obvious is that some people are criminals.

2. This is a religious question. Whether Bob goes to hell or not is irrelevant to whether you've done your job well. Bob's responsibility was to be a good criminal. The CEOs responsibility was to be a good CEO. Both of them failed.

edit:

"If you have met a sociopath in real life, it isn't simply a myth that they are charming and appear normal."

It's absurd to diagnose someone as a sociopath because they steal from you. The problem is not that there are thieves in the universe, it's that you handed one the keys to the henhouse. That they lie about it, and manipulate you, is evidence that they are rational, not that they are crazy. If you feel betrayed by people other than your friends and family, you have boundary issues. Blaming your own failures on others is a good way to repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

Re: The Looting of ShapeShift

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post #47

It seems odd to me that "Bob" hasn't been outed. It almost makes me suspect that someone isn't sure how much of "Bob's" role as portrayed in TFA is true and how much is a frame-job by an untouchable hacker [EDIT:] or wishful thinking by a frustrated executive.

> It seems odd to me that "Bob" hasn't been outed. Since Bob hasn't been criminally charged with anything, "outing" him is legally "libel". He could sue, and win.

Why didn't you quote the next sentence, in which I directly addressed the possibility that TFA is wrong about "Bob"?

Let me guess, YANAL? In USA, it ain't libel unless it's provably false. If "Bob" could prove that, why did he run?

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