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What It’s Like to ‘Wake Up’ from Autism After Magnetic Stimulation

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Re: What It’s Like to ‘Wake Up’ from Autism After Magnetic Stimulation

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Everytime I read one of these Autism articles I feel like I might be affected myself. I lack most of the symptoms I read on the internet but often feel disconnected and not caring about what's actually happening. Like a robot on autopilot with occasional breaks when I realize where I actually am in my life. For example when I hear really bad news, I'm just like "eh, life goes on". I'm not sure when this started but I…

I think a few visits to a therapist may help you discover more about yourself. (Though I do think some people associate 'going to therapy' as 'having problems', I see it also just as a resource for guiding introspection. There probably is not any "problem" you need to "fix"... it can just be a way to discover yourself.)

In your case, topics like emotional attachment style come to mind. Some people just grow up learning to condition their emotions become more numb... though in some cases it also becomes harder to become excited about things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory#Anxious-avoi...

This is not to say that this is how you are... since it's not like I actually know you or your childhood, etc. But this is certainly a topic that I'm reminded of when I hear your example, and something like therapy can be an interesting way to dive into this.

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post #20

I'm glad this guy wrote this up. Now I have no desire to get off the spectrum.

I don't think it would be as intense for a long period of time. He effectively got a new sensory capability and it was all new to him, but he didn't understand how to processes it for a while. It appears to be useful to understand social situations, so it may be worth considering. There's was no mention of the warmth you feel when someone who loves you genuinely smiles at you. It's rare, but a great feeling.

And you'll never experience what it's like to infodump about a special interest to someone who shares it, or the joys of stimming. Oh, and if you're lucky like I am, a reading speed of 1,000-2,500 words per minute easy, and sometimes a lot more. Social situations can be navigated by conscious training, as can emotion recognition and acting sympathetically.

My life isn't worse, just different. I meet friends online, including lovers. I like being who I am, and don't want to be someone else. Granted, I'm the good outcome: there are a lot of bad outcomes associated with autism at the severe end, and everyone would like to see those stop happening. But the big problems for a lot of people are social acceptance and low expectations.

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it sounds like he probably ended up on the far sensitive side of the spectrum, but well within normal. But, even if he was an adult, he didn't have the mental tools to handle the emotion - I read it as if he suddenly got the intense and open empathy children can have. You don't go to a six year old and describe the suffering of refugees in detail, because it'll give them nightmares. Just having a general idea o…

"I do think he's wrong about not having had a limited form of empathy: literally feeling other peoples pain is empathy. That doesn't mean he didn't care, or loved before - but it absolutely sounds like he had trouble: "understanding and entering into another's feelings" Sort of. Pre TMS Robison was unable to distinguish subtle facial expressions. What does this really mean? It means he could not decode other peoples…

I was thinking more about seeing someone skin their knee, and feel an almost physical pang of pain.

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Ok. Now I am going to call it. Back in the late 90s, people used to joke that you shouldn't keep cell phones at your wasteline or your "futures" will be affected. And then they would joke further that in 20 years you will have some weird people walking this earth. Well, it is 20 years later now, and we should see the affects of this supposed cell phone radiation. If I had to guess, I would say the version of the futu…

see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11493927

Re: What It’s Like to ‘Wake Up’ from Autism After Magnetic Stimulation

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post #40

Jesus Christ, this guy is the author of 4 books all related to autism? - Look Me in the Eye: My Life with Asperger's (2007) - Be Different: My Adventures with Asperger's and My Advice for Fellow Aspergians, Misfits, Families, and Teachers (2012) - Raising Cubby: A Father and Son's Adventures with Asperger's, Trains, Tractors, and High Explosives (2014) - Switched On: A Memoir of Brain Change and Emotional Awakening (…

Good for him! It's pretty stupid to assume he "hit the gravy train" by writing a few books. There are much better ways to make money. More likely he wrote those because it's a topic he cares enough about.

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post #16

I'm amazed by the improbability of this guy's life. He had an abusive father and a schizophrenic mother dropped out of school at 15 then worked as a sound engineer for a famous rock band, built a successful high-end auto repair business and then became a best selling author. I have to admit I was skeptical reading the article but his story seems to check out ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elder_Robison ). I won…

Eric Raymond had an interesting take on the link between autism and exceptional achievement (if you can get past his ego). http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7060 In short, the time and energy normally spent on social interaction instead is spent on other aspects of life.

Yes, I agree with what esr says here but I would add along the same lines that it seems like a necessary condition for success in difficult fields is devoting a great deal of time and energy to that field and the problems one is working on. One of the defining characteristics of autism aside from social difficulties seems to be having narrow intense interests. This seems to match very well what is needed for success, so it doesn't seem surprising that autistic people, at least the high functioning kind (ie. those with what used to be called Asperger's) would be more likely to succeed in these fields than others. But where is the line between normal and autistic then ? I think that to be a good mathematician you need an intense interest in mathematics (an interest that could be considered idiosyncratic since it is somewhat rare are in the general population). Does that mean that all good mathematicians are "autistic" at some level or is it just a manifestation of normal neuroplasticity ? I think that if you spend a career doing mathematics, or writing programs and little time dealing with monkey social rituals because you don't see the value in it you will end up exhibiting behavior that could be considered at least autistic-like.

Of course the danger is that if you ignore these rituals and you don't become wildly successful, either because your intelligence, though significantly above normal, is a bit below that needed for making world changing discoveries, or maybe even because of bad luck, then you risk personal catastrophe because you will have cut yourself off from the primary mechanisms society provides for maintaining one's livelihood.

In the end though I guess I believe that a person should try to be who they fundamentally are, rather than what society wants us to be. If you do that as life progresses you become ever more strongly who you authentically are. The risk of ultimate disaster is one that must be faced with courage.

Perhaps one day society will evolve to the point where it will allow each of us a little more affordance for following our true path. Unfortunately that isn't the world in which I have lived.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish the light bulbs we already found were legal Are you hinting at psychedelics? I'm familiar with their documented ability to open up different kinds of doors, but not this particular one. Colour me skeptical.

I've experienced it myself, felt identical to the author's experience, becoming aware. There's plenty of other untrustworthy anecdotal evidence[1] on the internet, but I'm not aware of any published research on the matter. Skeptical seems a rational stance, and was mine prior to my experience. [1] https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1082819... (psychadelic forum posting asking about autism experience…

Is there evidence that the feeling of being aware is because you are more aware, or just because you are high? I've heard people say that they have had incredibly meaningful experiences while on psychedelics, but I've also heard some dumb ideas from people who were smoking pot. So I'm curious if you think the reasons for feeling more like a person without aspergers were real at the time after you weren't high.

Re: What It’s Like to ‘Wake Up’ from Autism After Magnetic Stimulation

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eric Raymond had an interesting take on the link between autism and exceptional achievement (if you can get past his ego). http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7060 In short, the time and energy normally spent on social interaction instead is spent on other aspects of life.

Oh brother. I consider myself very smart but wouldn't write this kind of arrogant drivel :)

I find a lot of irony in this comment.

Re: What It’s Like to ‘Wake Up’ from Autism After Magnetic Stimulation

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post #23

An article written by Robison: An Experimental Autism Treatment Cost Me My Marriage https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11313452 (26 days ago, 560 points, 313 comments)

My 2-year-old son is the happiest, sweetest little boy. He was diagnosed with autism about 6 months ago by a pediatric neurologist, who we saw because he has zero communication skills (verbal or otherwise). He is almost always remarkably happy, and we love that about him. However, as you may imagine, it's impossible to discipline him, because he doesn't understand when you are disappointed or say "no" firmly. He thin…

Yea, speech therapy is super super helpful. Six years of that was probably the most effective treatment I have ever received (and probably the only treatment that has turned out to be helpful 20 years later) and I was non-communicative until 3 1/2.
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