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The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by scholia »

sailingparrot wrote: post #15
mikegerwitz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an example: http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/

So, Microsoft signed two deals related to Android/Linux with two companies, the content of those deals are undisclosed. That's pretty much all the facts we have, and this article is trying to tell us that this is an unequivocal proof of MS racketeering the open source community, seriously? Did I miss something?

Techrights is an anti-Microsoft hate site, and would never let actual facts -- or the lack of them -- get in the way of its bigotry....

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by SEJeff »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #35
SEJeff wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet they still extort companies with their secret Android "patents". Perhaps people will treat them differently when they start acting like it. Nadella is getting there, but still has a lot of work ahead of him before hardcore Linux people (like myself) really trust the motives.

There's almost nothing "secret" about how Microsoft handles patents (you know about it, so do I). What'd be really interesting is actually seeing what Google does with patents. While I've got no paper to prove it, Samsung changed directions in Google's favor massively when Samsung agreed to a long-term patent sharing agreement with them. (Previously, Samsung had been looking more and more like they were going to fork…

Ummmm the list of patents they assert Android violates are secret, hence the term "secret".

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by Roboprog »

I don't think MS is "embracing open source" (or even necessarily rejecting it), so much as they are acknowledging that Linux servers are here to stay for a while, and simply grabbing a piece of the pie instead of ignoring it. Much like Oracle having its own Linux distro.

Perhaps enough shareholders complained about a market segment simply being given to OSX (development environment for work intended for a POSIX server) that they simply had to act. No more, no less. Not benevolent or malevolent, just picking up some loose cash :-)

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by larrik »

vhab wrote: post #25
ctvo wrote: post #9

There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories going on, on what I personally believe to be a really straight forward and logical reaction. From my perspective, "Bash on Windows" is a reaction to the wide adoption of OSX for development (In particularly web development seemed to have a mass migration). For obligatory anecdote: I'm a longtime and loyal Windows user. Windows has been my primary development platform eve…

You talk like developing on Linux means doing everything in the command line. *nix UX is nothing to be ashamed of, and I personally prefer it over Windows and OS X (especially OS X).

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by amelius »

ctvo wrote: post #9

There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go. How does every single one of their business decisions get linked to some nefarious goal? The author doesn't even know what it could be, BUT DON'T FORGET! This company tried to patent everything decades ago! Don't forget they're not bringing bash to Windows out of the goodness in their hearts!

> There is a large group of people on the internet who never let the Microsoft of the 90s go.

Those people should have a look at research.microsoft.com, and compare their (public) research output to that of companies like Apple or even Google.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by Roboprog »

Roboprog wrote: post #43

I don't think MS is "embracing open source" (or even necessarily rejecting it), so much as they are acknowledging that Linux servers are here to stay for a while, and simply grabbing a piece of the pie instead of ignoring it. Much like Oracle having its own Linux distro. Perhaps enough shareholders complained about a market segment simply being given to OSX (development environment for work intended for a POSIX serve…

Maybe they are too late, though. I still like my Mac better than Windows version N, and have largely switched from Ubuntu (formerly RedHat, formerly Slackware) to OSX at home for the family.

The UI on the last few Windows versions has really confused me as to WTH they think they are doing.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by swsieber »

larrik wrote: post #44
vhab wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories going on, on what I personally believe to be a really straight forward and logical reaction. From my perspective, "Bash on Windows" is a reaction to the wide adoption of OSX for development (In particularly web development seemed to have a mass migration). For obligatory anecdote: I'm a longtime and loyal Windows user. Windows has been my primary development platform eve…

You talk like developing on Linux means doing everything in the command line. *nix UX is nothing to be ashamed of, and I personally prefer it over Windows and OS X (especially OS X).

Personally, the reason I like OS X over a random linux distribution is the sane keyboard shortcut defaults - CMD+C and CMD+V just work everywhere, as well as things like CMD+W.

Well, almost everywhere. And CTRL+F is still a little wonky depending on the app you're in.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

SEJeff wrote: post #42
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's almost nothing "secret" about how Microsoft handles patents (you know about it, so do I). What'd be really interesting is actually seeing what Google does with patents. While I've got no paper to prove it, Samsung changed directions in Google's favor massively when Samsung agreed to a long-term patent sharing agreement with them. (Previously, Samsung had been looking more and more like they were going to fork…

Ummmm the list of patents they assert Android violates are secret, hence the term "secret".

The list of 310 patents Microsoft's asserted Android violates has been available for... almost two years now.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/chinese-govt-reve...

Hardly secret anymore. Meanwhile, the last copy of one of Google's secret contracts we have is five years old.

Re: The truth comes out: Microsoft needs Linux

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Post by Roboprog »

Roboprog wrote: post #46
Roboprog wrote: post #43

I don't think MS is "embracing open source" (or even necessarily rejecting it), so much as they are acknowledging that Linux servers are here to stay for a while, and simply grabbing a piece of the pie instead of ignoring it. Much like Oracle having its own Linux distro. Perhaps enough shareholders complained about a market segment simply being given to OSX (development environment for work intended for a POSIX serve…

Maybe they are too late, though. I still like my Mac better than Windows version N, and have largely switched from Ubuntu (formerly RedHat, formerly Slackware) to OSX at home for the family. The UI on the last few Windows versions has really confused me as to WTH they think they are doing.

I remember when my kids got the version of MS Office at school that came with Vista/Win7. All the complaining about Open Office / Linux stopped, as they learned that the Win XP layout was NOT God's Own User Interface.
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