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The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Several years ago I was addicted to coca-cola, drinking daily even 2L - I probably exceeded the daily recommended amount of sugar 4 or 5 times. Since then I've drastically reduced sugar in my diet and luckily I never had a problem with weight, but I wonder what'll be the long-term effects of intaking so much sugar for such long time. The scary thing, now that I check the ingredients of everything I buy, is how much s…

I had a roommate who was quite large and used to drink at least one 2L of cola a day. He cut it out and went on a weight loss diet and vigorous exercise and lost around 100 pounds. But I gotta think a huge part of that was just the insane amount of excess calories in the pop.

Still admire the degree of dedication he put into his lifestyle change tho.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

Amen. Seven months of no sugar (or flour) here. The first week was worse than quitting smoking, which ought to tell you something. Have lost 50 lbs since. And what do you know: now I have the energy to work out three times a week. (The majority of the weight loss was before I started exercising.)

Congrats! Weight loss will definitely slow as you work out and start to build up muscle too.

I definitely feel way better off of sugar/carbs. Eating is a completely different ballgame now.

On keto, you get fuller quicker, and when you're full.. you actually want to stop eating.. It's not like sugar addiction where you want MORE MORE MORE. Omnomomomom!!!! YES DESSERT PLEASE.. SURE I CAN FIT THAT IN MY STOMACH.

Your stomach will literally shrink after a while too, so you will eat less.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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The major thing I took away from both the article and the comments originally submitted a few days ago is that nutrition science is too hard to create a one-size fits all guideline to what people should eat. If we have to have a one-size fits all solution to nutrition however, my anecdotal guess is that the answer shouldn't be what we should eat but how much. Namely as long as people aren't over or under eating they…

Is that really true? Or is the evidence pretty much in that all people shouldn't really be eating refined sugar?

Someone who is highly active can consume a lot more fructose-containing sugar than someone who is sedentary, and in fact fructose-containing sugar is more efficient at restoring liver glycogen than straight glucose. The problem comes when the liver's glycogen stores are full, and primary pathway for disposing of that fructose is via de-novo lipogenesis.

Like anything, the problem is consumption to excess. Unfortunately, excess in this case (for the typical sedentary person) is quite a small amount.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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This story always remind me of this interesting study done on rats, where they found sugar more tantalizing than cocaine or heroine.[0] Take it with a grain of salt (or sugar, if you prefer), since sugar has some nutritional value, but this is a little terrifying. Look at the obese, particularly in the USA, and look at these massive buckets of soda they drink, breads stuffed with 20+grams of sugar, sweets which are l…

Cane is a hell of a drug.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(1) is technically incorrect. Humans have evolved to process fructose into triglycerides in the liver. This is different than getting a glucose spike in the bloodstream. (2) unfortunately reality is complicated. Most of what you care about is the glucose curve after consumption. You are correct in that different foods cause different curves. This will change per person, and some people will spike on soda, and some (s…

Is there a difference between natural fruit juice and the kind of "fruit juice" with high levels of marketing behind it e.g. Tropicana?

Big Beverage fruit juice may have added sugar. Regardless, fruit juice (which is fruity sugar water with no fiber), is terrible for us.

Fruit was given to us in a high-fiber package, and should be consumed that way. The fiber also ensure we don't over consume. You might be full after 1 apple, which is like 1/8th a glass of apple juice.

So eating real fruit, you'll get less sugar, and the fiber helps with digestion and getting the other nutrients that are in fruit.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

1) Actual pressed juice is fine. The matter gets confused when people don't realize that a glass of actual orange juice is 6+ oranges worth of juice. You wouldn't eat a dozen oranges without thinking about the caloric intake. But you'd drink a few glasses of OJ because it's not as filling.

2) Thermodynamics... That said, a thousand calories of soda is half a day's worth of energy in sugar form. Your body uses sugar first when available, as a general rule of thumb. If you ate any fat that day, it will use the sugar, store the fat. More efficient than turning the sugar to fat, which we are bad at. (Humans aren't great at ketogenesis.)

3) Your body also understands sugar just as well. Blood glucose is an important bodily stat for good reason. Your body also uses protein and various trace elements in your diet, and it "understands" and "uses" all of them. Sugar is just more convenient to use than fat, so it uses that first and stores the fat. On ketosis, you just end up taking some of the stored (or dietary fat) and turning it to glucose in a hugely complicated process (think of it as "inefficiency in storage/packing/unpacking" the sugars into fats and back) and then using that to feed the ATP cycle to run the furnace. You don't run on fat. You store glucose as fat because high levels of glucose in the blood are bad. And then you store the fat outside the blood because that too, is poisonous in high amounts (see ketoacidosis). Your body is a fine-tuned machine that runs on pure glucose and happens to have a set of machinery that makes all animal/plant inputs (fats, sugars, protein, minerals, vitamins) into either A) machinery bits for maintenance or B) more glucose to burn.

4) Sugar (whether it is glucose, fructose, sucrose, lactose, maltose, w/e) is a functional way for a lot of things in nature to feed themselves, including us. Whether it is honey, the inside of an apple, or a grapevine, lots of things are full of easily digested sugars. Sugar, as much as you'd like to claim is "not necessary", is everywhere in nature, as it is a part of most living things.

5) Salt is bad, indeed. As a general notion, equilibrium should be attained in the body fairly easily. The bigger problem people don't think about is the K/Na ratio and such. As a general rule, salt is overused in our food. That one I agree with. No idea why you tacked on anything about sugar here.

6) Energy in, energy out. You're just a fancy (REALLY fancy) way of burning food slowly (given that you exhale some carbon in your food through CO2... and you used the O2 you breathed in to combust that food.) You happen to do useful work with the fact that you can invest a small amount of energy to gain a lot of it. It's a side effect. Locomotion and keeping the food-burning oven running and clean are the main reasons you use calories. The problem with the OJ glass at breakfast is detailed in 1) and has nothing to do with sugar and everything to do with the fact there's little finer and little satiation to orange juice so you drink far more calories than you'd ever eat from the actual fruit.

We prepare foods for easy consumption, but a lot of food is made to be filling as a way to self-restrict. Our more basal impulses ("eat until you're full because there may not be more food for a while") are woefully maladapted to our world.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Robert Atkins published Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution (possibly the ancestor of all the modern low-carb diets) in 1972 and credited a 1958 article in The Journal of the American Medical Association by Alfred W. Pennington. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkins_diet So I don't think one lone researcher figured this out in 1972.

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If anyone has any questions about starting a keto diet (high-fat, mid-protein, low-carb), feel free to ask. :) Cannot recommend it enough. It simply just works..

I'm glad it works for you, but everybody is different. It's a good idea to try multiple different diets to discover what works for your body.

Indeed, everyone is different, and should consult a doctor before starting a diet.

Keto is a very tough diet.

However, scientifically speaking, keto will help pretty much anyone lose weight, it really works at the core level that our bodies work... In terms of how and why we burn body fat.

It's certainly not for everyone, and you have to keep a really close eye on your macros, nutrients, vitamins, minerals...

Re: The sugar conspiracy: sugar—not fat—is the greatest danger to our health

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As someone who has shifted to a sugar-free, high-fat lifestyle (keto diet), I can attest to the fact that sugar really is the ultimate evil in terms of health and nutrition. I've lost about 100lbs in 2.5 years... The only thing that I really changed was doing a Keto diet. I've learned a lot about nutrition along the way, and it's amazing how bad nutrition info was when I was growing up.. Common Misconceptions I hear/…

Everything you said. I've been treating sugar as personal health enemy #1 for quite a few years now. Note: I am deeply addicted to sugar. It has been absurdly and embarrassingly hard for me to abstain from high sugar foods. I can eat a healthy, high-protein meal, and be full. Yet 30 minutes later, I will feel hungry again. But checking in with my stomach: still full. I can eat a few grams of sugar and feel instantly…

I think it feels irrational because these high protein, low carb diets are really meant up be weight loss diets, not the diet of an active human with healthy fat and muscle levels. In that case, whole grains and vegetables, fruits and the like along with the supplemental meats and nuts are normal. If you're genetically disposed, throw in some whole fat, no sugar added dairy.

I think all this confusion arises because what is good to eat is different between an obese person who works a desk job, a bodybuilder, a skinny 5-miles a day runner, and everyone else. People advocate one diet without considering how it'll interact with someone's standing fat and muscle levels, cardiovascular health, and insulin sensitivity.

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