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Sample workflow for LP digitization

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Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

#41

When I rip vinyl I want as little processing as possible, so no messing around with high pass and pop removal. If it's new or decent condition vinyl the pops and hiss will be barely audible anyway. Far more important to have a decent MC cartridge, and make sure it goes through a decent phono (RIAA) stage, which generally means an older hifi amp, or not-cheap hifi component. Any phono stage of the last 20 years, or th…

Eh, there are tons of EXCELLENT and not-very-expensive modern phono stages. Just avoid DJ stuff

Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

#42

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I'm firmly in the camp that mourns the victims of the loudness war, but it's important to keep in mind that "quality" is not something that can objectively measured, and every generation has its own perception of it. In MP3: The Meaning of a Format by Jonathan Sterne, he cites research done on "The MP3 generation" -- people who came of age when Napster was on the rise -- that found those listeners preferred the sound…

Eno was dead wrong about that. Outside of a marginal Kickstarter project - probably for a Japanese fanbase - I don't think anyone is going to pay money for a high-jitter 12-bit resolution retro CD player. Comparing that to the stylised imperfections of a human performer is unconvincing. I do think there's an interesting effect where as soon as a first-to-market technology becomes good enough to avoid being hopelessly…

It's something else. Take the old synths for instance, their sound wasn't specially great by themselves, but guys like Kraftwerk and Telex, and Black devil disco club were excited with them and did commit a few good tracks. Then the unstable blur of these sounds became something. And more people try to get this sound back, with some success. Music id like the air, it will fill all the space available.

Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

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You are right, there is no mention of the turntable/stylus/preamplifier configuration at all. I would guess that the Audacity people assume that people would be using a turntable plugged into a preamplifier with RIAA equilisation built in. http://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/mixphono.htm History before the 1950s is complex. Audacity has provision for defining a frequency response curve and applying that curve to a proje…

As bondaburrah points out in the sibling comment, there are probably no consumer sound cards in existence that would be able to record a non-preamplified vinyl recording. So the RIAA equalisation issue is moot.

Yes, there are. Any sound card that supports XLR connector mics will probably support phantom power and have a built-in mic amp, a vinyl pre-amp is not much different. I use an E-MU 1212m with a microdock, making it equivalent to a 1616m, which offers a "Turntable Input (w/ground lug and hardware RIAA preamp)".

http://www.creative.com/emu/products/product.aspx?pid=19007

Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

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Eno was dead wrong about that. Outside of a marginal Kickstarter project - probably for a Japanese fanbase - I don't think anyone is going to pay money for a high-jitter 12-bit resolution retro CD player. Comparing that to the stylised imperfections of a human performer is unconvincing. I do think there's an interesting effect where as soon as a first-to-market technology becomes good enough to avoid being hopelessly…

I've paid money for software which emulates a 12 bit ADAC, with a knob to adjust the jitter etc. I have several such items in fact: https://www.plogue.com/products/chipcrusher https://tal-software.com/products/tal-sampler That chipcrusher thing in particular does some crazy stuff.

Are they on the high or low end for pricing of plugins? I can imagine a full setup (excluding hardware) gets very, very expensive.

Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

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When I rip vinyl I want as little processing as possible, so no messing around with high pass and pop removal. If it's new or decent condition vinyl the pops and hiss will be barely audible anyway. Far more important to have a decent MC cartridge, and make sure it goes through a decent phono (RIAA) stage, which generally means an older hifi amp, or not-cheap hifi component. Any phono stage of the last 20 years, or th…

Eh, there are tons of EXCELLENT and not-very-expensive modern phono stages. Just avoid DJ stuff

Why avoid DJ stuff? Isn't a Technics deck going to be better than your run of the mill USB vinyl "recorder"?

Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

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Eno was dead wrong about that. Outside of a marginal Kickstarter project - probably for a Japanese fanbase - I don't think anyone is going to pay money for a high-jitter 12-bit resolution retro CD player. Comparing that to the stylised imperfections of a human performer is unconvincing. I do think there's an interesting effect where as soon as a first-to-market technology becomes good enough to avoid being hopelessly…

But there are chip tune bands who emulate 8 bit. That people pay money to see. So I can well imagine a niche for emulating flawed CDs.

At the end of BT's Somnambulist there's cut up samples that sound exactly what you'd get with a skipping Discman. I'm not sure I'd go out of my way to listen to something like that but I'm sure there's someone experimenting with those sounds.

Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

#49
Years ago my dad wanted me to listen to 'the classics'. So he handed me a stack of LPs and asked if I was able to convert them into CDs for him. Of course I had to listen to each one to do a good job.

I'm happy to see that the process has improved in Audacity over the years. When I used to do this there was not a good provision for adding labels to become tracks.

Re: Sample workflow for LP digitization

#50
one needs to sample the original at at least double the final finished frequency, or the finished product will have a metallic tinge to it.

eg if 44,100hz rate is what you want to end up with, the sample rate needs to be at least 88,200hz.

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