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Re: PythonJobs.com

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Post by zeemonkee3 »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #22

Are there people out there who only want to work in one language or be hired explicitly for one language? On the other side are there employers who only want people well versed in X language? I guess what I'm getting at is: most great developers I've met choose and use whatever language is the best fit for the job, even if it isn't their favorite. Targeting a specific language appears to be more of a niche, to me, an…

The problem is unless you have some offband connections or doing your own startup it's very difficult to switch languages as a professional. For example, if I wanted to switch to Rails development I'd have no chance getting a job which asks for 5 years experience with Rails - I'd have to take a junior/intern position which would be a huge salary hit.

So regardless whether I could learn Rails in a reasonable time or not, I remain stuck in my pigeon-hole (exception is if a new tech comes along like Elixir, where you have a chance at getting in the ground floor).

Re: PythonJobs.com

#42

Post by esaym »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #22

Are there people out there who only want to work in one language or be hired explicitly for one language? On the other side are there employers who only want people well versed in X language? I guess what I'm getting at is: most great developers I've met choose and use whatever language is the best fit for the job, even if it isn't their favorite. Targeting a specific language appears to be more of a niche, to me, an…

Knowing more than one language is not very typical?

Unless you have been involved as a software dev for 20+ years, if you have on your resume that you know perl,javascript, python, and java...that normally just means you know them very poorly and can only work with them by cuttingand pasting code from google searches... This has just been my general experience (with myself actually...)

So, IMO, it is perfectly fine to target one language. If your entire stack is in python, why would you want to onboard a senior Java dev and then spend the next year training him how to use flask, sqlalchemy, django, jquery, ect? Each one of those takes a couple of months to get fluid at...

Re: PythonJobs.com

#44

Post by zero_iq »

scrollaway wrote: post #26
binarycrusader wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Account creation and login pages are also served over HTTP. This site is insecure and should be taken down immediately.

It's a failure of the web browsers to work with a site that would let you be so insecure that it "should be taken down immediately". Also, I appreciate and agree with the mindset that SSL should be ubiquitous and that this site is insecure, but I gotta say, the way you're phrasing this reminds me of the most arrogant, spoiled customers that "demand" whatever pleases them to customer support and take out all their ang…

Conversely, I find his comment to be perfectly matter-of-fact, whereas I find yours (esp. your last paragraph) comes across as condescending, haughty and (ironically) arrogant.

Re: PythonJobs.com

#45

Post by superswordfish »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #22

Are there people out there who only want to work in one language or be hired explicitly for one language? On the other side are there employers who only want people well versed in X language? I guess what I'm getting at is: most great developers I've met choose and use whatever language is the best fit for the job, even if it isn't their favorite. Targeting a specific language appears to be more of a niche, to me, an…

Yes. I've worked with a handful of career Python developers, and they're even worse than career Java developers (at least the Java stack tends to be deep and sophisticated, demanding some expertise). They are practically useless when you depart the world of WSGI and new-style vs. old-style classes. At this point, people like that are an automatic thumbs-down during an interview for me.

Why is that? Think about it: How many jobs have you ever worked where you only had to know one language, or one stack? What sort of person would desire to work on the same stack, job after job? Who wouldn't have the curiosity or professionalism to branch into other areas on the job? I've never in my career encountered a full Python stack. There's at minimum some combination of C, C++, SQL, or JavaScript.

I believe there are two kinds of developers: Those who try to fit the world of software into their own mental model, and those who try to learn the model of the world of software. The former cling to the first technologies with which they achieved proficiency. The latter feel the urge to expand their horizons, so that they can better understand their early learnings in the larger context of computing, a pursuit that hones all software development skills.

Who do you want to work with?

Re: PythonJobs.com

#46

Post by superswordfish »

zeemonkee3 wrote: post #41
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #22

Are there people out there who only want to work in one language or be hired explicitly for one language? On the other side are there employers who only want people well versed in X language? I guess what I'm getting at is: most great developers I've met choose and use whatever language is the best fit for the job, even if it isn't their favorite. Targeting a specific language appears to be more of a niche, to me, an…

The problem is unless you have some offband connections or doing your own startup it's very difficult to switch languages as a professional. For example, if I wanted to switch to Rails development I'd have no chance getting a job which asks for 5 years experience with Rails - I'd have to take a junior/intern position which would be a huge salary hit. So regardless whether I could learn Rails in a reasonable time or n…

You can keep telling yourself that, but actually most places asking for only five years' Ruby experience would kill for somebody with the same experience in a similar language. Rails really isn't that hard to learn, especially if you're taking a job that involves maintaining/enhancing an existing project. You would be hired as a senior. Well, unless you actually can't grok Ruby after knowing Python, which would be a sad state of affairs.

Re: PythonJobs.com

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Post by superswordfish »

esaym wrote: post #42
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #22

Are there people out there who only want to work in one language or be hired explicitly for one language? On the other side are there employers who only want people well versed in X language? I guess what I'm getting at is: most great developers I've met choose and use whatever language is the best fit for the job, even if it isn't their favorite. Targeting a specific language appears to be more of a niche, to me, an…

Knowing more than one language is not very typical? Unless you have been involved as a software dev for 20+ years, if you have on your resume that you know perl,javascript, python, and java...that normally just means you know them very poorly and can only work with them by cuttingand pasting code from google searches... This has just been my general experience (with myself actually...) So, IMO, it is perfectly fine t…

Yet there are people out there capable of learning more than one technology deeply in a short time, and you'd be doing yourself and your employer a disservice to write them off as charlatans.

Re: PythonJobs.com

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Post by izolate »

superswordfish wrote: post #45
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #22

Are there people out there who only want to work in one language or be hired explicitly for one language? On the other side are there employers who only want people well versed in X language? I guess what I'm getting at is: most great developers I've met choose and use whatever language is the best fit for the job, even if it isn't their favorite. Targeting a specific language appears to be more of a niche, to me, an…

Yes. I've worked with a handful of career Python developers, and they're even worse than career Java developers (at least the Java stack tends to be deep and sophisticated, demanding some expertise). They are practically useless when you depart the world of WSGI and new-style vs. old-style classes. At this point, people like that are an automatic thumbs-down during an interview for me. Why is that? Think about it: Ho…

When I was starting out, I'll admit I looked up to career Pythonistas in awe. One day I thought I'd get there, but never did. I have a favourite language that I know best, but I'm totally agnostic.

I look forward to my development career being summarised as a series of different favourite languages/ecosystems as I explore and progress.

Re: PythonJobs.com

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Post by godzillabrennus »

michaelmior wrote: post #6
godzillabrennus wrote: post #2

Love seeing sites powered by JobBoard.io - great product and great guy behind it. I'm not associated with them in any way but as a boot strapper I love free high quality tools and they have one that's been superb for us.

Where is their free plan? The pricing page[0] shows the smallest plan starting at $149/mo. [0] https://www.jobboard.io/pricing-plans/

Fair enough. It was free at one point. I signed up for it then and am apparently grandfathered in under that plan. Guess they are in a monetize mode now and shifted.
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