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Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

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Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#41
What about reusing and polishing XMPP and existing decent software for it? About donating money to people who develop it all these years? No, we'll spread FUD upon XMPP or just ignore it but will proceed to use and abuse its legacy behind the closed doors.

http://risovach.ru/upload/2016/03/mem/novyy--shablon_1085837...

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

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post #35
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't mention IRC, doesn't mention Discord. I'm suspicious that a PR firm pushed this to a journalist.

This and the number of apologists seems a little suspicious indeed.

Where I work, not even a very large startup, we spend a lot of venture money on a PR firm. It's pretty common for a PR firm to push content to journalists and blog writers and really it works nicely most of the time. It bugs me in this case though if it is a PR fluff piece.

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#43

This is one of those applications that is always being rewritten somewhere. JWZ's law may even be relevant here: "Every program expands until it reads mail". It seems there is always a large group people out there working on messengers. The question really is what made Slack special. Why is it the Slack revolution and not the HipChat revolution? What about the veneer has allowed it to become a pervasive trend, expand…

Revolution? Drinking the kool aid much? My team has it. We've had it for a month or two now. There has only been a handful of posts and most of them are "TGIF" posts.

>Drinking the kool aid much?

As you can tell from my post which states that Slack doesn't offer anything unique or special, uh, no, I'm not drinking the kool-aid.

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#44
post #35
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't mention IRC, doesn't mention Discord. I'm suspicious that a PR firm pushed this to a journalist.

This and the number of apologists seems a little suspicious indeed.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them an "apologist"...

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#45
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If only there was a well supported, standard, open and interoperable text messaging protocol (with multiple implementations) that companies could host themselves... Oh wait, IRC.

This comes up every time, and as usual you have totally missed the point . IRC is difficult to configure, difficult to host, difficult to use, and does not offer the same feature set as Slack. There is an obvious use case for something like Slack (obviously, because otherwise it would not have millions of users!) and covering one's ears while yelling "IRC! IRC! IRC!" is sort of wilfully ignoring that if it were a sui…

A distributable VM or docker container, or even ball of scripts fixes the configure/host package. And there are plenty of easy to use IRC clients, perhaps make and even dumber/simpler one. Easy problem to solve.

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#46

One thing that nobody's mentioned yet is encryption. A Slack alternative that's end-to-end encrypted (at least for private messaging between users) and has encryption for chatrooms would be worth my time.

Yup if they are able to support this it will get much more adoption in the corporate world.

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#47

One thing that nobody's mentioned yet is encryption. A Slack alternative that's end-to-end encrypted (at least for private messaging between users) and has encryption for chatrooms would be worth my time.

This sounds like a fun thing you could do directly in Slack with a chrome extension. Kills a lot of the server based features - search, pulling in webpages, lots of integrations, but it seems like those would break in your end-to-end world no matter what.

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#48
Regarding IRC... I started using Gitter a few months ago and have used various IRC clients for over 20 years.

I was blown away on how much better the UX was in Gitter compared to IRC. The history, the notifications, the markup, the UI...you name it.

And Gitter is a pretty crappy client. If there was a nicely implemented client, it would be even more impressive.

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's Slack's main feature. Well that and gifs. IRC on the other hand is James has left the channel. Bill has left the channel. Samantha has joined the channel. Samantha has left the channel. filled with worthless status updates Martha has gone idle that make it Bill has joined the channel. terribly easy to Bill has changed the channel topic to "ZOMG! Ponies!" miss things Martha has become active Martha has left the…

Messages just like that show up in Slack whenever someone joins or parts the channel, changes the topic, etc. Not sure this is a valid complaint.

Well, in Slack, you don't leave by disconnecting, so that lowers the volume of people joining/quitting because they moved their laptop.

It doesn't help that IRC tends to get used in places where massive amounts of users are expected. I feel some of the newbie clients should just hide by default join/quit spam.

Re: Open Sourcers Race to Build Better Versions of Slack

#50
post #36

For talking about a race, Wired seems to have neglected a crucial technology: ircv3[1]. I'm not very fond of IRCv2, and have moved away from it where I previously used IRC. But IRC is popular, has a lot of clients, and v3 has a lot of promise. Why didn't the author bother to mention it? [1]: http://ircv3.net/

IRCv3 lacks a logo, a startup, and VC funding. So people who write tech news seem to often be unaware that it even exists.
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