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Re: Caffeine use disorder

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This discussion about coffee has become too scientific. When I was a child, my parents would not let us drink coffee, but tea was not only allowed it was part of daily routine as long as I remember. We didn't question. When I grew up someone told me the story about two life-term prisoners in medieval times, one of them allowed to drink only tea, the other coffee. The coffee-guy lived longer. That was enough for me to…

Medieval tea-drinking and coffee-drinking in the same place? Where might this have been?

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Excessive use of anything tends to be bad. "Normal" intake of coffee [1] may have plenty of health benefits, so why quit? Because self control? I'll drink my 3-4 cups of black filtered coffee a day with a good conscience. [1] Not including other high-caffeine drinks (energy drinks) or mixing your coffee with lots of sugar and milk, which would be bad mostly for other reasons than the caffeine itself.

> Excessive use of anything tends to be bad. Many of those 'alarming' articles are mainly studying the point from where the use of anything is dangerous for our health. It is easy to get the numbers and to publish, and the website gets a clickbait. It's widely knew that too much coffee is dangerous. But a normal dose has plenty of benefits, and a lot of research supports both points.

> It's widely knew that too much coffee is dangerous. But a normal dose has plenty of benefits

I'd be interested in reliable cites for either of those.

Here's what Cochrane Collaboration says. http://www.evidentlycochrane.net/caffeine-and-health-evidenc...

It's a short list.

Re: Caffeine use disorder

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This discussion about coffee has become too scientific. When I was a child, my parents would not let us drink coffee, but tea was not only allowed it was part of daily routine as long as I remember. We didn't question. When I grew up someone told me the story about two life-term prisoners in medieval times, one of them allowed to drink only tea, the other coffee. The coffee-guy lived longer. That was enough for me to…

Medieval tea-drinking and coffee-drinking in the same place? Where might this have been?

Sweden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_III_of_Sweden's_coffee_...

Re: Caffeine use disorder

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post #42

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> Excessive use of anything tends to be bad. Many of those 'alarming' articles are mainly studying the point from where the use of anything is dangerous for our health. It is easy to get the numbers and to publish, and the website gets a clickbait. It's widely knew that too much coffee is dangerous. But a normal dose has plenty of benefits, and a lot of research supports both points.

> It's widely knew that too much coffee is dangerous. But a normal dose has plenty of benefits I'd be interested in reliable cites for either of those. Here's what Cochrane Collaboration says. http://www.evidentlycochrane.net/caffeine-and-health-evidenc... It's a short list.

Here's a round-up: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/upshot/more-consensus-on-c...

Re: Caffeine use disorder

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If you're basing decisions off a single anecdotal* data point from "medieval times", I can see how anything else would seem "too scientific" in comparison. * And fictitious

I made a lot of good decisions based on incomplete data, and I'm not sure why you labeled this story fictitious. Here's some background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_III_of_Sweden's_coffee_...

If you want to drink coffee, drink coffee. Using a goofball medieval study (with a sample size of literally 2 people) to justify your personal choice is pretty silly.

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I weaned myself off of caffeine entirely seven months ago. Being free of caffeine has greatly improved the quality of my sleep and made my mood more even throughout the day. I really appreciate being able to jump straight out of bed in the morning without depending on that coffee to get my brain working.

I believe that's a fairly common experience (it was mine too when I quit for a year). Caffeine leads to highs and lows. W/o caffeine and having good sleeping patterns leads to higher average energy level and less highs and lows. Personally though, I love the taste and enjoy the experience of "waking up" with a cup of coffee over the course of the first 20 minutes of the day.

I do miss the taste of coffee. When I quit, I thought that I would allow myself the occasional coffee or espresso, but I've been reticent to allow myself the risk of becoming dependent again. I've not tried decaffeinated coffee because of the solvents used in producing it in general.

Re: Caffeine use disorder

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> It's widely knew that too much coffee is dangerous. But a normal dose has plenty of benefits I'd be interested in reliable cites for either of those. Here's what Cochrane Collaboration says. http://www.evidentlycochrane.net/caffeine-and-health-evidenc... It's a short list.

Here's a round-up: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/upshot/more-consensus-on-c...

Cool, thanks. Some of those studies seem to find protective benefits with decaf. Or there wasn't enough data to know if the same effects are present with decaf.

> Most studies did not include data on decaffeinated coffee, either because too few people drank it or because data were not available. The few studies that did, though, had differing results. With respect to cardiovascular disease, decaffeinated coffee did not seem to have the same protective effects as regular coffee. With respect to the one stroke meta-analysis, it seemed to be just as protective as regular coffee. In two breast cancer analyses, decaffeinated had the same nonrelationship as regular coffee. Decaffeinated coffee was also protective against lung cancer, not as protective against Parkinson’s disease, and protective against diabetes and overall mortality, but perhaps to a lesser extent than regular coffee.

> But for most studies, there just aren’t data available. The conclusion to take away: There’s less evidence overall for a potential benefit, but still, there’s no evidence of harmful associations.

Re: Caffeine use disorder

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I believe that's a fairly common experience (it was mine too when I quit for a year). Caffeine leads to highs and lows. W/o caffeine and having good sleeping patterns leads to higher average energy level and less highs and lows. Personally though, I love the taste and enjoy the experience of "waking up" with a cup of coffee over the course of the first 20 minutes of the day.

> Personally though, I love the taste and enjoy the experience of "waking up" with a cup of coffee over the course of the first 20 minutes of the day. Yep, which is why I switched to decaf. Still the same taste (there are ok decaf coffees out there) but none of the bad effects of excessive caffeine. (Most decaf still has ~10% of the caffeine of regular coffee, but even with 4 or 5 cups of decaf a day it's not enough…

I had read that the process of decaffeinating coffee involves solvents that are bad for you, so I've avoided that. Maybe I should look into that closer because I certainly do enjoy the taste of good coffee.

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> Personally though, I love the taste and enjoy the experience of "waking up" with a cup of coffee over the course of the first 20 minutes of the day. Yep, which is why I switched to decaf. Still the same taste (there are ok decaf coffees out there) but none of the bad effects of excessive caffeine. (Most decaf still has ~10% of the caffeine of regular coffee, but even with 4 or 5 cups of decaf a day it's not enough…

I had read that the process of decaffeinating coffee involves solvents that are bad for you, so I've avoided that. Maybe I should look into that closer because I certainly do enjoy the taste of good coffee.

It's frequently done with liquid CO2. It doesn't leave any residue (and it anyway is not toxic). So you could source beans that use that process.

The roasting process is probably introducing some nice awful compounds into the mix anyway.

Re: Caffeine use disorder

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The thing to remember with caffeine is its half-life in non-smokers is 8 hours (it is 3 hours in smokers). I have a rule to never have any drink with caffeine after midday - if I break this rule even by an hour I suffer that night and the next day. Caffine is a morning drug.

Yes! When I have coffee after ~14:00, I have trouble falling asleep at night (even though I am a smoker, then again, I am not exactly a chain smoker).

Green tea is less of a problem (then again, the way I prepare it, it contains much less caffeine).

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