Might try this out as I've had nothing but issues with the Windows version of RStudio.
Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
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Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#42Personally never did R studio. Unfiltered command line is always more flexible, and prevents inertial lockin to a specific tool, OS, to a large extent. Now I'm supposed to do R in ultra-bloated Visual Studio?? I learned R precisely to get away from the inefficiency of the (in the past 20 years, functionally unchanged, visual-candy-only) Excel. How am I to be excited about adding this thick, lumpy MS gravy, to my pure…
what phillc73 said.
Totally respect having a focused command line w no frills workflow. To each their own.
But you should really give RStudio a try. It's a beautiful, highly productive R IDE with many features that make writing R much much more pleasant.
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think the R Console or RStudio are going away. Feel free to keep using whatever you want. If you normally have VS open and you also use R then this news is great, otherwise, you get to keep going about your merry way.
Do you geddit that VS binds you to the inferior Windows builds of R? I use R every hour of every day. I started with Windows R with zero bias.....until I was forced to learn Linux against my will just to get the full, stable, all-libraries-work, experience.
Not sure what you mean - RTVS works with CRAN R...
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#44Personally never did R studio. Unfiltered command line is always more flexible, and prevents inertial lockin to a specific tool, OS, to a large extent. Now I'm supposed to do R in ultra-bloated Visual Studio?? I learned R precisely to get away from the inefficiency of the (in the past 20 years, functionally unchanged, visual-candy-only) Excel. How am I to be excited about adding this thick, lumpy MS gravy, to my pure…
It's quite true. Emacs has an R mode (ESS) and that is probably all you need. That said I think people are free to use whatever software they want, and this includes non-free software that is technically and philosophically inferior such as in this case.
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#45Hi folks - Last year we polled HN on whether there'd be interest in R integration in Visual Studio. You said "YES!", so here it is! I'll be around in case you have any questions. BTW RTVS was built by the same group that made PTVS (Python Tools for VS) and NTVS (Node.js Tools for VS). RTVS will also be free & open source of course. Cheers
I welcome RTVS, but as an Rstudio user, I am now curious about what things are _substantially_ different between the two. They're, at least superficially, very similar.
In other words, why would an Rstudio user consider a switch to RTVS?
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#46Personally never did R studio. Unfiltered command line is always more flexible, and prevents inertial lockin to a specific tool, OS, to a large extent. Now I'm supposed to do R in ultra-bloated Visual Studio?? I learned R precisely to get away from the inefficiency of the (in the past 20 years, functionally unchanged, visual-candy-only) Excel. How am I to be excited about adding this thick, lumpy MS gravy, to my pure…
> R is best used unfiltered Actually, no it's not. One of R's strengths is its ability to manipulate data and then visualise the output. Doing this via the command line is slow and cumbersome. Do you plan to output a chart, save it, then open it with another application? RStudio excels in not just being an IDE, but also a visual data representation tool. Write the R code, view the chart in the same application (Rstud…
What are you talking about? The text-based R interpreter has exactly the same graphical capabilities as R Studio.
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#47Microsoft is trying really hard to get me to like them again. It's starting to work.
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> R is best used unfiltered Actually, no it's not. One of R's strengths is its ability to manipulate data and then visualise the output. Doing this via the command line is slow and cumbersome. Do you plan to output a chart, save it, then open it with another application? RStudio excels in not just being an IDE, but also a visual data representation tool. Write the R code, view the chart in the same application (Rstud…
Oh please. I do that 20x a day without R Studio. Saving a chart is as simple as png(...). You are clearly too mouse-bound. I reject your comment out of hand.
Why save it at all when in RStudio you can skip that step. Doesn't have anything to do with a mouse either because you still write and execute all the code with the keyboard. This all seems very out of left field.
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> R is best used unfiltered Actually, no it's not. One of R's strengths is its ability to manipulate data and then visualise the output. Doing this via the command line is slow and cumbersome. Do you plan to output a chart, save it, then open it with another application? RStudio excels in not just being an IDE, but also a visual data representation tool. Write the R code, view the chart in the same application (Rstud…
What are you talking about? The text-based R interpreter has exactly the same graphical capabilities as R Studio.
I'm talking about RStudio being a much better tool for data visualisation.
If people wish to stick with the command line, I won't dissuade them. I just personally find there are better tools for producing data visualisations with R.
Re: Announcing R Tools for Visual Studio
#50Does anyone have a short list of the best sites to learn R? I only have two on my list, and one is for advanced users: http://adv-r.had.co.nz - Advanced R by Hadley Wickham https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/r/ I keep my links on Github: https://github.com/melling/ComputerLanguages/blob/master/r.o...
This is my more intro level book: http://r4ds.had.co.nz (it's still a work in progress, but you might find it helpful)