Who in their right minds would want China to be the global hegemony when they censor free speech, treat people like they are disposable (Falun Gong body organ harvesting by President Zemin), impose Han Chinese ethnocentric ideologies as superior to the world as did Nazi Germany believed their blood made them pure? What country in their right mind that enjoys the security and economic prosperity and trade with other d…
Falun Gong is a superstitious group that promotes the belief in magical powers. Knowing that, China's actions make far more sense (if still unfair). A large group that's irrational to the point of killing people via belief in magic is very possibly a threat.
SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
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We don't have to manufacture everything here. It makes sense to do microelectronics in China because of factory network effects. Need a widget? My buddy at the factory down the road can ship you a million by Friday. But we can manufacture textiles, plastics, metals, and so much more that we grow, extract, and refine here. The only reason China is so competitive is because of ridiculous energy subsidies and an artific…
Just on the off chance you're not just trolling and actually believe what you're saying about tariffs. There's a strong reason why the only people arguing for them are populist candidates without any economical backing. I'd suggesting reading on the history, and effects of the Smoot Hawley Tariff in the 1930s. The general accepted wisdom is you don't want your economy regressing back to being built on low skill manuf…
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
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One does not need familiarity with Chinese history or conspiracy theories to put those claims into the nonsense bin. But in case it's not as obvious as I see it, here are my assumptions: - president of China is a public figure - he is probably not crazy - most Chinese people are not crazy - not-crazy people think organ harvesting is really bad Based on those assumptions (feel free to prove me wrong), he is unlikely t…
Organ harvesting from prisoners is apparently legal in China (per the Wikipedia article, haven't followed through all the links yet). So apparently some not-crazy people think it's not really bad or crazy people are running the show. Let's assume not-crazy. They have a source of organs, people they intend to execute, and they apparently make use of this. There's a lack (or circa 2006 was) of a detailed registry showi…
I'd like to point out though, organ harvesting death row prisoners is on a vastly different scale of acceptance than organ harvesting less-informed cult followers who has harmed nobody except themselves. The former is unethical because it incentivizes unjust sentencing, but the wrong part is unjust sentencing, not necessarily organ harvesting(although this is controversial and can get philosophical); the later would affect many millions of people, enraging orders of magnitude more.
Bottom line, did Jiang order the crackdown of falun gong and resulting in some being tortured or even sentenced to die? Yes. Did he order organ harvesting of falun gong members? Most definitely not.
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
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not defending the parent, but Falun Gong organ harvesting by the Chinese government is widely considered to be a real human rights crisis by many different countries, the EU, and the UN. It was also admitted by the Deputy Health Minister[0] in 2005. [0] http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/asia/article2612313...
Minor correction: organ harvesting by the Chinese government on death row prisoners is considered human rights crisis by many countries, so is the death sentence itself. Also, illegal organ harvesting by criminals probably exists, but is a serious crime. Organ harvesting falun gong member just because they were part of a cult is a large leap of logic from what the government claims to do, and has been debunked many t…
Perhaps you can explain where China gets the organs for their record setting transplant rates? Research has shown the organs they account for coming from death row inmates outpaces the number of death row inmates by several orders of magnitude (several thousands of transplants supposedly came from 14 death row inmates in one province that harbored the most Falun Gong during the early 2000s). Please point me to some of these debunkings, because I can't seem to find any by a reputable source. Meanwhile the EU and United Nations have clearly accused the Chinese government of harvesting Falun Gong organs.
But besides that, the Chinese government itself has admitted that over 2,000 Falun Gong members have died as a result of torture and abuse while being held for religious beliefs (in and of itself a human rights violation). Given that the government has been accused of lighting people on fire in public simply to discredit Falun Gong I wouldn't put it past them to harvest organs as well. At one point Falun Gong members made up 50% of long time prisoners in China. If organ harvesting is happening in general (which has been a long standing accusation), the statistics say Falun Gong members were highly likely to be among those abused.
Sure, the president himself might not have ordered a massive conspiracy. Doesn't mean the government doesn't harvest the organs of religious dissidents. It's very strange you'd use the term "legitimize" though, as if people needed to be "legitimate" in order to practice a religious belief.
Oh, and just to put things in perspective we have plenty of holistic medicine crazies here in the US. We just don't demonize, imprison, and execute them.
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I'm not sure that simply expressing astonishment will change anyone's mind. Are these well-known ideas or something completely new? Can you refute them directly or explain where they come from to someone not familiar with Chinese history and current conspiracy theories?
One does not need familiarity with Chinese history or conspiracy theories to put those claims into the nonsense bin. But in case it's not as obvious as I see it, here are my assumptions: - president of China is a public figure - he is probably not crazy - most Chinese people are not crazy - not-crazy people think organ harvesting is really bad Based on those assumptions (feel free to prove me wrong), he is unlikely t…
Re: SCMP's online presence in mainland China completely wiped out
#46I wonder if China can fully enter the first world while still executing such a thorough and complete control over the media? Would anyone like to weigh in on if free speech is essential to what you'd consider a first world country, or is it simply one of those luxuries that only some need?