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“Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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It really is a case of some being too easily offended. One woman was offended that a Hasidic Orthodox Jew would not sit by her, thinking it was hatred of women. In reality, the man is following his convictions to avoid touching women other than his wife.

Actually, it seems to be an external blaming behavior in that at least one of the people involved said he didn't want to be tempted when his wife wasn’t there. That would imply that, by either touching or being near the woman, that she would become desirable to him by some behavior. It's that behavior that is being judged (and frequently pre-judged) by these people based on their beliefs, which is at the root of the…

Do you mean blaming someone else's behaviour? If so, I disagree.

If there was porn on the back of the seat, I think the guy could reasonably say "I don't want to look at that, I don't want to be tempted". That's not blaming some behaviour by the porn, he's just saying "in this situation, I will react this way, and I don't want to".

(I don't like the way they're acting, but I don't think "they're blaming other people" is what's wrong with it.)

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It really is a case of some being too easily offended. One woman was offended that a Hasidic Orthodox Jew would not sit by her, thinking it was hatred of women. In reality, the man is following his convictions to avoid touching women other than his wife.

In that case, then he should follow his convictions and move, not request that the woman be moved, which is what has happened in many of these situations.

Can you point to exactly what makes you think that's a particular sticking point?

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Would it be fair to say that since I am from America that I should get upset at anyone who wears a hijab for their own religious purposes? Covering women is very anti-American, specifically being prominent in the most recent generations. Yet, as civilized people, we can come to the understanding that even though I don't support something doesn't mean that I have to tell others how to live their lives or expect them t…

Oddly, almost this exact issue was a major issue in the recent Canadian federal election. The Conservative government attempted to ban niqabs during citizenship ceremonies. They went so far as to appeal lower court rulings that doing so was against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They lost the election and the new Liberal government ended the attempt to ban the Niqab. Interestingly, as the Conservative government…

Checked Wikipedia, doesn't look like it's usually capitalized mid-sentence in English. Users on the talk page appear inconsistent, but I don't think it would be grammatically correct to capitalize it mid-sentence as it's not a proper noun.

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Personally, I don't understand why the people in the first article, that this one is about, were upset that someone of another religion wanted to adhere to their faith. It seems fairly reasonable that, on air planes non-the-less, that you will encounter many cultures that seem strange to you. Why would that aggravate you?

It's okay for you to adhere to your faith. If you ask me to move my seat, you're asking me to adhere to your faith.

I say let him stand; the airline should deal with it. Finding an acceptable seat for him is their problem. I don't have a booking issue with my seat.

If the airline wants me to move, they should either pay me two hundred bucks, or move me to business class, or first.

They have no qualms about charging for cancellations or last minute booking changes; why should the passenger accomodate their problem free of charge?

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Personally, I don't understand why the people in the first article, that this one is about, were upset that someone of another religion wanted to adhere to their faith. It seems fairly reasonable that, on air planes non-the-less, that you will encounter many cultures that seem strange to you. Why would that aggravate you?

>It seems fairly reasonable that

I don't really find it "reasonable", whatsoever, that someone can't sit beside another human being on a plane because SupremeBeingX doesn't want them to. In fact, "reasonable" may be the exact opposite description of the situation.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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Personally, I don't understand why the people in the first article, that this one is about, were upset that someone of another religion wanted to adhere to their faith. It seems fairly reasonable that, on air planes non-the-less, that you will encounter many cultures that seem strange to you. Why would that aggravate you?

It's okay for you to adhere to your faith. If you ask me to move my seat, you're asking me to adhere to your faith. I say let him stand; the airline should deal with it. Finding an acceptable seat for him is their problem. I don't have a booking issue with my seat. If the airline wants me to move, they should either pay me two hundred bucks, or move me to business class, or first. They have no qualms about charging f…

He's not really asking you to adhere to his faith. He's personally trying to adhere to his faith and he's asking you for a favor that will help him. Similarly, when somebody asks you the time, they are not attempting to turn you into a watch, they're just looking for some help from a fellow human being. I'm not saying someone is necessarily wrong to consider the request unreasonable, but I think it's unfair to accuse him of shoving his faith on other people.

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> "Imagine what your perfect source would tweet, or what you yourself would tweet in that situation, and search for the words that would probably be in it."

This is a technique I used to use a lot more in the days before Google became the dominant search engine, when I was using Lycos, Alta Vista and Yahoo. In those more primitive search engines that were doing something closer to a full-text search, it was important to use the words and verb tenses that were likely to appear in the answer (or target page/tweet), not in the question.

So for example, instead of querying "Which museum is the Mona Lisa in?" it was best to query "collection includes the mona lisa" and similar phrases.

Needless to say, third generation search engines like Google made this all unnecessary, and hopefully, Twitter will get there too, eventually.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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People have different standards of behaviour according to their social background. I think the average American or European would be unhappy if someone said "I won't sit next to this person because they're black" for whatever reason, personal, religious etc. The same people consider gender discrimination to be approximately as bad as race discrimination. The Hisidic person in question has some kind of problem with wo…

Would it be fair to say that since I am from America that I should get upset at anyone who wears a hijab for their own religious purposes? Covering women is very anti-American, specifically being prominent in the most recent generations. Yet, as civilized people, we can come to the understanding that even though I don't support something doesn't mean that I have to tell others how to live their lives or expect them t…

Being asked to do something based on someone else religion, that's what wrong.

> Yet, as civilized people, we can come to the understanding that even though I don't support something doesn't mean that I have to tell others how to live their lives or expect them to live their lives in a way that makes me happy.

Which is exactly what's wrong in that situation, they had theses seats but because they are female, they were expected to move.

Re: “Me”: The one word journalists should add to Twitter searches

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post #47

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It's okay for you to adhere to your faith. If you ask me to move my seat, you're asking me to adhere to your faith. I say let him stand; the airline should deal with it. Finding an acceptable seat for him is their problem. I don't have a booking issue with my seat. If the airline wants me to move, they should either pay me two hundred bucks, or move me to business class, or first. They have no qualms about charging f…

He's not really asking you to adhere to his faith. He's personally trying to adhere to his faith and he's asking you for a favor that will help him. Similarly, when somebody asks you the time, they are not attempting to turn you into a watch, they're just looking for some help from a fellow human being. I'm not saying someone is necessarily wrong to consider the request unreasonable, but I think it's unfair to accuse…

A fellow human being is someone who doesn't hate/fear women.

"Low effort" is the wrong way of looking at this; the moral compromise in caving in to this request is immeasurable.

Having sex with someone is also "low effort". That doesn't mean you are obliged to have sex with whoever asks.

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