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Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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They snuck in kinects under their ties. That's great.

I'd almost forgotten about the Kinect. After a lot of buzz about hacker applications of a Kinect at first release things seem to have gone quiet over the last year. Kind of surprised not to see more oculus dk2 / Kinect v2 mashups - maybe they'll be a resurgence in interest when oculus gets a full release...

Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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Of course, the real one will be blown up, sooooooo. Hanging on to the copy of the copy of the copy worked ok for books. it's infinitely better than nothing.

There's an awful lot of value in a particular book-as-object that you lose in a copy, especially in pre-Gutenburg manuscripts: - What script was it written in? - How was it bound? - What shape and size is it? - Huge roomy margins or small tiny margins? - Is it actually a palimpsest with another text underneath? - Who owned it? - How old is it? And so on. If someone just writes down the text and burns the book, you've…

Just so i understand, your point is it's much better to have nothing, than having a poor copy of the original object?

That makes, well, not much sense to me. but ok.

Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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I anticipate all sorts of crazy digital-rights management battles ahead for 3D objects like this - including art - but even more on likenesses / people / etc. Roughly a year ago I bought a structure scanner (1) for my iPad, scanned in friends, imported to unity and let them walk around themselves in the Oculus DK2. That was a very cool experience but an unexpected result was how many people asked me to delete the sca…

Well it has been out there that many Hollywood stars have had high resolution image maps made of them for future use. I think the real threat isn't digital rights management, its going to being alerted when 3D objects like this are inserted into live presentations. As in, when computer power is there to overlay someone in real time it should be acknowledged else separating fact and fiction will not be available to an…

I think we should have a steep uncanny valley before a computer model can impersonate the presence of a person on a screen, I expect to be old or dead by then.

Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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In the Star Control II lore, the Ur-Quan (evil invading alien race) have as a condition of surrender the destruction of all structures older than 500 years, to destroy any history of not being subjugated by the Ur-Quan. It's a really interesting and sad thing.

The Ur-Quan masters do it themselves and of course, most of Europe gets blasted and funny enough, also a part of Antarctica.

If I recall correctly, the idea is that the Ur-Quan aren't entirely clear as to what parts of human history are factual or fictional, so they destroy both sites of real historical significance and areas that are prominent in human myth, including the lost city of Atlantis.

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Excitingly enough, UNESCO and IDA are helping fund cameras for 3D scanning of cultural heritage sites in Syria to preserve them in the event ISIS/ISIL destroys them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_herita... "After the Palmyra temple's destruction in August 2015, the Institute for Digital Archaeology (IDA) announced plans to establish a digital record of historical sites and artifacts threatened…

http://www.newpalmyra.org/

> NEWPALMYRA is a Digital Archaeology project, collecting data from international partners, analyzing it, creating a reconstruction of Palmyra in virtual space, and sharing the models and data in the public domain. We are using digital tools to preserve the heritage sites being actively deleted by ISIS.

Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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This is one of the more interesting things to come out of the overlap of technology and artworks to my mind. If we continue to have arrangements like that of the Elgin Marbles in London some kind of compromise where a good quality facsimile like this can be created for relatively cheap and displayed to the public then at least we get to have a freer access to our shared heritage. It's a crying shame they had to resor…

Probably portable 3D scanners makes it easier, but facsimile art isn't new at all. The V&A museum in London has a huge set of Victorian-era plaster casts of EVERYTHING: http://www.vam.ac.uk/page/c/cast-courts/ There's a whole industry of manuscript fascimiles: http://www.facsimilefinder.com/

Yes, people have been making facsimiles for a long time. The Spurlock Museum in Urbana, IL has a set of copies of the Elgin Marbles, for instance.

Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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Excitingly enough, UNESCO and IDA are helping fund cameras for 3D scanning of cultural heritage sites in Syria to preserve them in the event ISIS/ISIL destroys them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_herita... "After the Palmyra temple's destruction in August 2015, the Institute for Digital Archaeology (IDA) announced plans to establish a digital record of historical sites and artifacts threatened…

As optimistic as I am about photogrammetry and other 3D-scanning technology, I'm leery of calling it "preservation" or letting you "recreate" artifacts. It captures shape and texture, but that's all. It's hollow. You can't take a core sample of a 3D scan, you can't X-Ray a 3D scan, you can't smell it or touch it; you can't tell if there's anything inside and you can't carbon-date it. It can't capture how pliable or b…

And? if you are looking at a good reproduction of the Mona Lisa do you feel anything less?

There are tons of items that cannot be displayed to the public in fear of damaging them this can help to create a more accurate replica that can be easily displayed at a fraction of the cost.

Just so you know museums have been displaying replicas for decades (if not longer) as many items were too fragile to display, many "original" items that you might see in a museum are in fact replicas carefully crafted, some museums go as far as commission high end manual reproduction paintings if the original is too fragile to display.

And while reproduction paintings are rare natural history museums are filled with replica's those dinosaur fossils are not the actually fossils found in the ground, those are cast and hand finished to look good for the display and the casts often do not even come from a single fossil as a full fossil is almost a unicorn.

Re: Artists Covertly Scan Bust of Nefertiti and Release the Data for Free Online

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I anticipate all sorts of crazy digital-rights management battles ahead for 3D objects like this - including art - but even more on likenesses / people / etc. Roughly a year ago I bought a structure scanner (1) for my iPad, scanned in friends, imported to unity and let them walk around themselves in the Oculus DK2. That was a very cool experience but an unexpected result was how many people asked me to delete the sca…

Wow I didn't know a product like that existed. How well does it work? Could I scan the inside of classic cars with it and recreate in Vr? What about a room?

Check out the structure sensor one of its two major modes is for room scans and its awesome

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Very cool. I have a DK2; how did you use the image/output of the Structure Scanner to create a virtual world to walk around? EDIT: I see you used Unity. I'm not a game programmer (I use the Oculus for video work); care to expound briefly? This could be huge for my line of work. Thanks for any time you can spend on my question.

I would love to understand how it would be huge for your line of work just out of curiosity - my mind was BLOWN the first time I tried this. In terms of getting it to work you can with the Structure Sensor, import the mesh in Unity 3d, drop the OVR plugin for the Oculus Rift and you're there. Seriously it's incredibly simple, each of those steps you could figure out with a cursory Goog search / tutorial.

Awesome thanks. I work in sports science and the ability to potentially animate this stuff would be huge, but simple scans/renders would be helpful as well.

Any idea how you might do it in 3d just out of curiosity? Probably just multiple cameras using a normal kinematics program.

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I anticipate all sorts of crazy digital-rights management battles ahead for 3D objects like this - including art - but even more on likenesses / people / etc. Roughly a year ago I bought a structure scanner (1) for my iPad, scanned in friends, imported to unity and let them walk around themselves in the Oculus DK2. That was a very cool experience but an unexpected result was how many people asked me to delete the sca…

Regarding structure scanning, I see a few details online...

Would you consider working up a write up, for Show HN, with all the detail you care to share about your structure scanning experience...?

This has given me an idea for a fundraiser for a local non-profit I support ...

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