Why not "enhance interrogate" the shit out of the criminal until he willingly gives up the password? It works in TV, cinema, and, according to Cheney, in real life. Amirite?
/s
Terrorist’s Apple ID Password Changed In Government Custody, Blocking Access
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#42Why not "enhance interrogate" the shit out of the criminal until he willingly gives up the password? It works in TV, cinema, and, according to Cheney, in real life. Amirite? /s
This is of course a difficult procedure to apply post-mortem.
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#43Is there a reason Apple can't take apart the phone and access the hard drive directly? Maybe put the hard drive on a dev board of sorts. AFAIK, most cell-phones have dev board versions that the mfg's engineers use to test various component hardware revisions no?. There they can access it through root? I might be missing something here. It would be hilarious if after all this, they find nothing on the phone. GENIUS!
The same reason they can't take the SSD out of my computer and put it in a dock to get at the data. The drive is encrypted with a key they don't know.
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#45If it were an iPhone 6, how long does a finger print last on a corps? In future crimes is the FBI going to cut fingers off corpses and store them for later use?
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#46If it were an iPhone 6, how long does a finger print last on a corps? In future crimes is the FBI going to cut fingers off corpses and store them for later use?
Cut off fingers?
How about simply photographing the fingers, or, at worst, just fingerprint the dead without removing the digits (which I assume is SOP)?
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#47If it were an iPhone 6, how long does a finger print last on a corps? In future crimes is the FBI going to cut fingers off corpses and store them for later use?
Touch ID requires your passcode after 48 hours. So, only if the phone had been previously unlocked with a passcode, kept powered on and charged, and 48 hours had not elapsed, could the government use a corpse fingerprint to unlock.
The device in question is an iPhone 5 and doesn't have a Touch ID sensor, so the question is moot anyway.
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#48What's strange is that they're investigating two international terrorists who committed mass murder and all they're talking about is their fucking iPhone? What if after all this drama and forcing everyone to install backdoors and disable encryption they find out that they used it only to play Clash of Clans and take pictures of food?
You could write a good film script here;
how some secret 3 letter agency has gone rogue and has a long and complex plan to incite a couple of people to terrorism, making sure they conveniently die, leaving no witnessed.
This shadow group then invoke the hearts and minds of the people, through the fear of a series of terror acts to relinquish their privacy rights, happily accepting a legal precedent to remove encryption from the masses. Their end goal being total population control and surveillance on order to control the masses on behalf of a secret and powerful governing elite.
A bunch of FBI agents suspect this secret group have programmed these people to commit these terror acts, and since they are now dead they need to recover the data from the phone to prove this dastardly conspiracy.
Starring Matt Damon as the one rogue ex-agent who brings the whole almost perfect plan crashing down, and Liam Neeson as the FBI agent who is determined to bring this shadowy elite to justice.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would assume they have found that person. It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority, but I'd bet they have simply forgotten what they changed it to.
If that's the case, it sounds like the FBI are being very careless with evidence and passwords to suspects' phones, even in very high profile cases. If they can't keep passwords secure, they aren't going to be able to keep this backdoored iOS version secure either.
That's essentially Apple's concern, isn't it? That they will want to increasingly rely on this version of iOS, and eventually accidentally compromise Apple's security model?
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would assume they have found that person. It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority, but I'd bet they have simply forgotten what they changed it to.
> It's curious that anyone took it upon themselves to initiate the password reset without authority The phone is critical evidence, according to the FBI and the legal actions around this phone. If the phone's password was changed after the crime without authority the person who did this would have been charged with tampering with evidence. > I'd bet they have simply forgotten what they changed it to. What possible re…
My assumption about it being forgotten is predicated on the person doing it not having authority.
I'm basing all this on this snippet from the article:
> It was then that they discovered that the Apple ID password associated with the iPhone had been changed. (The FBI claimed earlier Friday that this was done by someone at the San Bernardino Health Department.)