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Re: I’m a web developer and can't make anymore the simplest web app

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Post by golergka » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

adamwong246 wrote: post #11

This is so very, very silly. Yes, there are lots of options... just like development on any other platform or in any other language. If you allow yourself to be sidetracked by all the shiny things, of course you'll never get any real work done. And if decision paralysis is preventing you from even starting the project... well, I'm sorry to say you may not have the stamina that's needed to see a project to it's full c…

> Write the code that does the stuff.

But that's far from what I usually want from my code.

I want the code that is easy to change, code that I understand, code that is reliable, code that works well with garbage data, code that will still be maintainable after I extend it. Having reasonable performance (notice, I'm not saying the best performance, just reasonable) is a must, too.

And in most other cases, when I move to a new tech, I get most of it pretty quickly. Of course, there's some learning involved, but I never aim just for code that "does the stuff". Just "doing the stuff" is so abysmally insufficient for good software that I don't expect any programmer to be satisfied with this single requirement.

Re: I’m a web developer and can't make anymore the simplest web app

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Post by Fen1kz » Tue, Feb 16, 2016, 1:44 PM UTC

golergka wrote: post #40

Fen1kz wrote: post #39

> I envisioned the opportunity to try out a few new things I’ve been reading about online, refresh my web-dev tools and have some fun. > The core of the problem is choice and the overwhelming abundance of tools to choose from. Excuse me, did you want to try out a few new things , refresh web-dev tools , have some fun or start coding immediately? Because, it looks like: I am chief-cooker and i can't cook simple meal.…

> Excuse me, did you want to try out a few new things, refresh web-dev tools, have some fun or start coding immediately? These two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. In any other area of programming that I've tried recently, they're not — except for JS-based web development.

Tell us, in what area you've refreshed your dev tools and started coding immediately.

I remember I was trying to replace maven with gradle in Java -- it was fail because I wasn't able to add new repository to gradle. I'm still not sure how to it.

Re: I’m a web developer and can't make anymore the simplest web app

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Post by adamwong246 » Thu, Feb 18, 2016, 1:56 AM UTC

golergka wrote: post #41

adamwong246 wrote: post #11

This is so very, very silly. Yes, there are lots of options... just like development on any other platform or in any other language. If you allow yourself to be sidetracked by all the shiny things, of course you'll never get any real work done. And if decision paralysis is preventing you from even starting the project... well, I'm sorry to say you may not have the stamina that's needed to see a project to it's full c…

> Write the code that does the stuff. But that's far from what I usually want from my code. I want the code that is easy to change , code that I understand , code that is reliable , code that works well with garbage data , code that will still be maintainable after I extend it . Having reasonable performance (notice, I'm not saying the best performance, just reasonable) is a must, too. And in most other cases, when I…

And yet, having a product that just just barely holds together is the best I could have hoped for, given the time and money constraints. And my barely working stack of crap is better than most other products, because most folks can't even get that far.

Easy to change? Reliable?! Maintainable?!?

Bah humbug! Who needs it? Not me. I'll probably trash this version anyways! If I can get the thing to do one thing reasonable well, it's a winner. The code quality is always secondary to actually getting something done. Once you have a product and some customers and you've proven that it won't explode, then we can talk about performance. But I've seen too many projects strangled under the high-minded ideals of better programmers than I.