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San Francisco Bubble

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Re: San Francisco Bubble

#41
> Everything is too expensive. I’m from New York...

I take issue with this one. It's entirely possible to live frugally while living IN San Francisco. I moved here about 7 months ago and expected it to be incredibly expensive but it hasn't been the case (beyond rent).

The author mentions $15 crappy local IPAs but I've actually never found a beer for this price. There is no shortage of $7 craft beers you can buy at a brewery or bar, no shortage of Trader Joe's with the same prices as, say, Charlottesville VA.

I've found that other than rent, the prices are comparable to other places. If you get a salad delivered on postmates or uber eats or something then that's what you're paying for. That isn't SF.

I think a lot of people are living a lifestyle where they have no problem paying for stuff like a delivered salad when they can walk next door, or uber instead of taking the bus, but lots of people are walking and grocery shopping and not paying those prices.

Re: San Francisco Bubble

#42

"They can take an arbitrary sabbatical from work, they cannot be told no or reprimanded, and they make so much money that they can just take random breaks from employment to chill." I have yet to hear a convincing argument why this is a bad thing.

Honestly?

It isn't sustainable and its not a productive use of capital.

This lifestyle is going to implode when the economy stumbles.

Re: San Francisco Bubble

#43
post #23

> A company to “disrupt the banana hammock ordering process” cannot possibly do well yet someone invested money into it and it is paying employees. Is this actually a real company and if so can someone post a link?

I didn't even know that "banana hammocks" were a thing. Maybe whoever runs bananahammockworld.com reads HN.... http://www.bananahammockworld.com/banana-hammocks-for-men/

Should carry a NSFW warning. I had no idea what a banana hammock was, I thought it was an actual hammock.

Re: San Francisco Bubble

#45
nothing against the author but it seems like he is painting a very wide brush with something he's seen for 3? days.

i certainly have never taken ubers everyday to work even though i could probably(?) afford to do so. seems like an expensive daily habit though.

i actually live in the city where it's not some huge loft in fidi/downtown. good for anyone who can get their groceries sent up to their room but i'm not sure how close to the norm that is. tech workers are all across the board in terms of how they live, how much they get paid and how willing they are to fetch their own groceries.

i live on the first floor of a older apartment complex, but i have to walk down a hill to fetch my groceries. i do sometimes use one of the gazillion food delivery services to eat dinner though.

anyways i would say this is similar to someone who goes to ny, visits the financial district in manhattan for 3 days and then proclaims, "everyone in ny is rich! of course they can afford all that housing! they're so stuck up! why are the cabbies so rude? why are new yorkers so rude?"

Re: San Francisco Bubble

#46
The guy makes some good points, and there does seem to be a lot of questionable startups, but it's not like they're tapping into public funds. Somewhere, somehow, some angel investor thought that it was a good team and a good idea and they were happy to part with their money. It's better that we live in a more optimistic world than one where every crazy idea is a bad idea.

However, how is taking Uber to work every day 'spoiled'? I bet the guys owns a car where he is from and spends significantly more on monthly transportation than I do. For $4 more than a bus, I get point to point pick up and drop off, and save about 40 minutes of my time (which I can use to go work out in the mornings).

And some others have figured out that it makes sense to spend $20 on grocery delivery rather than spending 90 minutes doing it yourself if you're working 60-80 hours per week and make more than $20/hour. To be sure, a lot of people work long and hard. They make certain sacrifices but just because they are not the same sacrifices that the author would make it doesn't mean they're bad.

Re: San Francisco Bubble

#48

"There are thousands of dumb startups" This. Most of the blame is cast on the big companies (Twitter, Facebook etc) but the reality is that there are hundreds of smaller companies choosing SF and the valley in general. And again I say, until companies allow people to work from wherever this will be fueled more. Finding talent is getting ever more difficult already, if you expand your search area to the entire country…

"There are thousands of dumb startups"

This is a feature not a bug. The whole VC model the Bay Area thrives on is based on the premise of hitting on only a small percentage of successful startups and you never know what's going to be a hit. Many successful startups have pivoted out of "stupid" ideas. I'm sure at one point "Blogging 140 characters at a time" was considered a stupid idea.

Re: San Francisco Bubble

#49
I have to say that I didn't really understand the perspective the writer was coming from. It kind of felt like he just wanted to finger wag at SF.

> Everything is too expensive.

Just normal supply and demand economics. This happens all the time all over the world when lots of high earning people suddenly move to an area.

> There are thousands of dumb startups.

Yup. And most of them will die. And some of them will become AirBnB. The problem is, it's extremely difficult to predict which is which. That's just the nature of searching for "the next big thing". I'd rather live in a world where there are lots of dumb companies so that the few exceptional ones have a chance to get started.

> People are spoiled.

No, people in SF value their time, as it's the only resource you can't get more of. I absolutely understand why someone with the money would have groceries deliver for them. It's more efficient. The locally sourced and organic thing does feel a bit silly though, although I would say that's a fad you see everywhere.

> There cannot be these many quality engineers.

I'm sure there are some bad engineers there. But SF has a massive pool for exceptional talent, and while I'm sure not every engineer is extremely high quality, I have no doubt that a substantial amount of top tier programmers are in SF. If the majority of programmers weren't making meaningful contributions to their companies, I don't think you would see them being compensated the way they are.

Re: San Francisco Bubble

#50
I'm surprised he didn't have the $16 artisanal salad delivered to him by one of the 37 delivery services.

This is pretty much the only place i know of where people are okay with paying $30+ total for a salad and think it's normal

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