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Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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For some reason this is a really popular topic to drag up on a slow news day in the UK. The facts are that UK own-home ownership is actually quite average compared to other European countries and others around the world. Wikipedia has a helpful table [1] about this topic.

The UK ranks 37th lowest out the 46 countries included. France is nearly the same. Germany and Austria are the only two large European countries that are lower.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_owne...

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those landlords are breaking the law (and the terms of your tenancy) and I believe you can file a report with the police that will get them into very hot water with their local council -- potentially fined and booted off the register of landlords (which means it'd be an offense for them to let any flats out at all). Source: my sister is a landlord.

England doesn't have a register of landlords, anyone can let out property.

Scotland does: https://www.landlordregistrationscotland.gov.uk

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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A: because renting is so expensive. We have no rent caps in this country, so it's actually cheaper to pay off a mortgage than it is to rent. Plus you actually get to keep that money rather than having it line the pockets of a landlord. Plus house prices are increasing at a much higher rate than inflation. So it's a triple win. I had to rent for almost 20/years before I could afford the deposit on a house, but I'm gla…

Renting is also extremely unstable in the UK. Most tenancy agreements are 6-12 months and you can be turfed out after the term with no reason whatsoever. Landlords are also allowed to increase rents as much as they like between tenants.

Contrast this with Germany's system - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/11417359/Germany-...

Estate agents are also a huge problem. They charge the landlord and the tenant to put an agreement together. Tenants are charged every renewal - sometimes £200 for what is essentially a piece of paper.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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It makes sense to buy a house because, over the long term, the value of houses goes up while the value of money goes down.

Even better, the real cost of mortgage payments keeps going down (thanks to inflation) while the real cost of rents keeps rising. My house would now rent for around 3x my mortgage payments, except I paid off the mortgage more than a decade ago so my rent is zero.

There's always a chance house prices could collapse, but that's unlikely in the UK. First, it's a small island with a rising population so there is real demand, mainly in the south of England.

Second, it's seen as a "safe haven" so foreigners are buying houses in the UK -- new developments are actively marketed in China, Singapore etc.

Third, if you buy a house and rent part or all of it out, the tenants will pay the mortgage for you, and they really have no choice. Governments supporting a "property-owning democracy" (a Conservative Party ideal) have made it harder to rent by selling off social housing, removing rent controls, giving tax allowances on mortgages etc.

Historically, on average, buying a house has been a one-way bet in the UK for around 50 years. It seems pretty much insane to imagine that this will always be true, but it has been true for my entire lifetime.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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An Englishman's home is his castle? Maybe it's simply that owning a home lets you do more with than renting one. You can add extensions, remodel much of it, potentially demolish the entire thing and rebuild it, that sort of thing.

Actually, as someone renting several flats in the UK during the last few years I'm still shocked by the lack of rights I have as a tenant. For example, landlords can enter your property by only giving you a 24-hour notice in writing. I have had real state companies entering my flat without prior notice to show it to potential new tenants several times. Other countries in the EU would take these incidents very serious…

> I have had real state companies entering my flat without prior notice to show it to potential new tenants several times.

We had one representative from the landlord (Foxtons) pull this on us. After one angry email to this representative's supervisor, mentioning the Landlord and Tenants Act, it never happened again. I believe the supervisor's excuse was that they had an option on tenants account info that said they could enter without permission, and it was "inadvertently checked" on mine.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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The UK has historically been a society where the poor majority worked the land and rented from a few wealthy landowners. [0]

This builds a psyche whereby to own land becomes a social status.

Bring into that heady mix the likes of Maggie Thatcher's "right to buy" [1] scheme, whereby the lesser class (council house residents) are in a position to buy their homes at a fraction of their apparent worth, and suddenly you need to own your house or be seen to be less than those that do.

Then a new generation comes along and sees that their parents "foolishly" sold off a couple of houses years ago that would now have been worth a mint, and everyone must buy a house else be caught out like their parents.

Buy to let then brings in the mentality of "why would you give money to someone else to pay off their mortgage when you could be paying off your own?" and everyone must buy as early as possible.

Pure conjecture on my part.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_structure_of_the_United...

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_Buy

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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For me, wanting to buy is not about an investment. I want somewhere secure and stable to live. The "dead money" aspect of rent versus a mortgage is just a bonus.

It must seem alien to most in the west the sheer lack of protection renters have in England (property law is devolved); it is based entirely in private contracts, and what law does exist is rarely if ever enforced. Just last week Parliament rejected an amendment requiring all rented property be "fit for human habitation". Rent rises are not capped and often used to evict tenants, the legal minimum notice for eviction is two weeks (this does not increase with time rented), the landlord is required to carry out repairs but notifying them of such can be grounds for eviction.

These may be the extremes of renting in England; however you can ask any renter about being charged outrageous contract fees, referencing fees and being screwed over on leaving over the deposit and "cleaning fees" (even when the property is left in a professionally cleaned state). There is little-to-no repeat custom in renting so they get away with it.

Little movement has come from either of the two main parties (Labour & Conservatives) to improve this, thus to have stable accommodation you have to look to buying.

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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As a brit born a few years too late for this to be a sensible possibility at all I'm sick and tired of the social pressure from every angle telling me I'm not a real adult until I have a mortgage.

Your response to that should be: "you are not a responsible adult until you are debt free." That is actually one of the secrets to a lower stress longer lasting life IMO.

I recently bought a flat - my only real debt is the mortgage. There is a psychological shift - I was in London for 7 years and thought I'd rent forever. But it bugged me to be pissing away 1300 a month to a landlord... and it was never big enough. And London is its own headache. The shift for me at least has to do with 'settling down'.

I bought this current flat (outside of London) primarily as an investment (gentrification is already happening here) and so the much lower "rent"/mortgage (than even renting in this city) is an upside. I wish I'd bought in King's Cross 10 years ago, but that's how life goes.

But I do get the social pressure to "own". Under 30s these days are screwed. I always thought London was overpriced, but it kept going up and up and up... At some point, the bubble will burst, but the Tories don't care about the future for anyone but themselves at all.

As an aside, my friend just finished off his <$100 quid a month mortgage he got in the 80s and his two up-two down is easily worth 200K now. I think he paid like 50K overall?

Re: Why are Brits so obsessed with buying their own homes?

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Same situation in Norway. But the tax incentives are so many that if you can you should buy, from an economic perspective. of course there is risks. And if mobility / freedom is weighing more than money, maybe you shouldn't buy?

I find mobility to be a valuable asset. That may be a byproduct of working in the technology industry.

I work in the technical industry. A "founder", even. I've been in the same house for 14 years. Owned my business a bit longer than that.
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