I cannot believe after all these years China is still banning the whole site instead of using some keyword or content-based method. Not that those methods are right, but at least it would save a lot of programmers and researchers time. How can people make progress on anything related to scientific research without the help of Wikipedia? seven years ago I was a college student in China and I sure remembered how I have…
The answer is HTTPS. Unless China can compromise the whole country's OSes by forcing them to install a security certificate that lets them impersonate Wikipedia, Google, etc, they can't block individual pages on sites that only serve over https * They can only block whole sites. Wikipedia forces https sitewide for just this reason. Selective censorship isn't permitted. Fun fact #1: That's believed to be why the Chine…
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Well, you could make everyone install a compromised SSL certificate... https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/perpass/current/msg019...
So you force your citizens to install a compromised SSL cert and can now impersonate any website. Now what? If you want to monitor someone don't you have to proxy all their traffic? Is that even feasible on a country wide scale? Because you can't do it intermittently since a user can just check which cert the key is signed with to tell you whether you're currently being monitored.
and that is one part of what the gfw does.
google 'how does the gfw work' if you want a broad overview. there was a really in-depth explanation on HN not that long ago. sadly, i'm unable to find it at the moment.
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Baidu's Baike is a truly gigantic wiki. Often whole articles from the Chinese version of Wikipedia show up there, but Baike is actually much larger. I agree that blocking the international internet is harmful to innovation and the economy, but the question of how harmful is largely based on how large the market is. In China's case, Baidu isn't as extensive as Google, Youku doesn't have the Khan Academy or a lot of ot…
Youku rips a lot of content directly from YouTube; 90% of the past popular stuff is there, and of course, piracy. As a laowai, I'm beginning to feel more isolated. If it wasn't for the pollution, it would be the biggest problem in living here.
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Baidu's Baike is a truly gigantic wiki. Often whole articles from the Chinese version of Wikipedia show up there, but Baike is actually much larger. I agree that blocking the international internet is harmful to innovation and the economy, but the question of how harmful is largely based on how large the market is. In China's case, Baidu isn't as extensive as Google, Youku doesn't have the Khan Academy or a lot of ot…
Youku rips a lot of content directly from YouTube; 90% of the past popular stuff is there, and of course, piracy. As a laowai, I'm beginning to feel more isolated. If it wasn't for the pollution, it would be the biggest problem in living here.
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Youku rips a lot of content directly from YouTube; 90% of the past popular stuff is there, and of course, piracy. As a laowai, I'm beginning to feel more isolated. If it wasn't for the pollution, it would be the biggest problem in living here.
Why are you beginning to feel isolated? Because of internet connection censorship? Or some combination of factors?
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The answer is HTTPS. Unless China can compromise the whole country's OSes by forcing them to install a security certificate that lets them impersonate Wikipedia, Google, etc, they can't block individual pages on sites that only serve over https * They can only block whole sites. Wikipedia forces https sitewide for just this reason. Selective censorship isn't permitted. Fun fact #1: That's believed to be why the Chine…
Wikipedia is available in China without VPN. I just got onto it.
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> But why is it bad that a commercial party wants to respect local laws? How far are you willing to follow this line of argument, should a company help with enforcement Sharia Law, or the North Korean weapons program also? (They conform to local laws!))) Or are you only willing to follow this line of argument when it is deemed sufficiently profitable over the possible cost of PR backlash for a corporation (which is h…
The answer is yes - if the company wishes to do business in Saudi Arabia or North Korea respectively.
Morals aside: should Heineken (a Dutch company) sell alcohol to 18 year-old Americans in California because that is legal in the home country? Or should they follow American laws when they are doing business in America?
If Heineken finds American laws unconscionable, the best they can do is to not do business in the US. If they want the US as a market - they have to follow the (local) laws.
Only in a fascist dystopia do companies get to pick and choose the laws they would rather follow.
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#50Who knows, maybe Microsoft did this on purpose as a not-so-subtle hint of what's to come.