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What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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This is OT but I wanted to ask before: what does the "Jacobin" in Jacobin Mag refer to? Presumably not the more genocidal fraction of the French Revolution which was my first guess?

They were not genocidal. Just classist.

You might find this interesting, or more likely infuriating: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/12/socialism-marxism-democra...

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The frien-nemy relationship that this database represents is super interesting. So each candidate has their own columns in the database. Does that me that, for example, if the governor of California (Dem) endorses a candidate for president, they will share their columns with that candidate? I'm imagining a crypto-key getting plugged into a Mandrill scrips at campaign HQ, and suddenly the emails get 5% more effective.

Yes, once an endorsement takes place they will share data. It goes further than that, though. Once someone drops out of a race and shares data, donations to the endorsed candidate require a kickback to the original candidate. I don't know the magnitude of the kickback, but the thing I wonder is this: is that money tainted and under the rules of the FEC? Or, can it be spent on anything the once-candidate desires?

This just shows how dirty money makes politics.

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A great writeup but reading things over the only thing this shows me is Bernie's people are a lot more dedicated. if Clinton's staffers had the same level/type of access as Bernie's staffers to VAN why wouldn't they be doing the same thing? I find it hard to believe that her staffers wouldn't have noticed the data coming up as well, ran a few queries to realize what was going on, and suddenly realized what was going…

>if Clinton's staffers had the same level/type of access as Bernie's staffers to VAN why wouldn't they be doing the same thing? Because they firmly believe that she is inevitable , or perhaps even entitled to the nomination. Hell, Hillary talks like that herself: >"I would just ask that when this nomination is wrapped up that they come and join with us to make sure that we don't turn the White House back over to the…

I think that Hilary may be known in the future as the one that lost presidency twice.

Pundits are greatly underestimating the anti establishment sentiments in the populace. And the Hilary supporters I know right now are smugger than crosfitting vegans. Hubris is the easiest path to a politician downfall and there is quite a lot of it in Hilary's warehouse.

Edit: I also don't think that Bill really wants her to be president. His legacy turns from - ruled during the best years of Pax Americana to the husband of the first woman president. I would not be surprised if he pulls his punches.

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There's extremely bad blood between the Hillary and Sanders campaigns, and the Sanders guys think the DNC fabricated a scandal by immediately going public, and possibly set them up. https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-sanders-campaign-is-takin... There's a big difference between Obama and Hillary, where he's pretty saturnine about attacks on him even when they get pretty crazy, and she takes things more personally and…

Sanders personally took a jab at Clinton during his apology, saying he wasn't sure that her campaign didn't do the same thing, but providing no evidence of that.

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There's extremely bad blood between the Hillary and Sanders campaigns, and the Sanders guys think the DNC fabricated a scandal by immediately going public, and possibly set them up. https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-sanders-campaign-is-takin... There's a big difference between Obama and Hillary, where he's pretty saturnine about attacks on him even when they get pretty crazy, and she takes things more personally and…

Sanders personally took a jab at Clinton during his apology, saying he wasn't sure that her campaign didn't do the same thing, but providing no evidence of that.

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post #37

There's extremely bad blood between the Hillary and Sanders campaigns, and the Sanders guys think the DNC fabricated a scandal by immediately going public, and possibly set them up. https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-sanders-campaign-is-takin... There's a big difference between Obama and Hillary, where he's pretty saturnine about attacks on him even when they get pretty crazy, and she takes things more personally and…

Sanders personally took a jab at Clinton during his apology, saying he wasn't sure that her campaign didn't do the same thing, but providing no evidence of that.

How can he when the company in question and the DNC are both for Hillary. How can they know if there is evidence with out the cooperation of those entities. Hence why they are suing to gain access to those records.

Re: What Really Happened With the DNC’s “Datagate”?

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Interesting article, though it left out some context.

The Sanders campaign tried to report this issue months ago [1]. Nathaniel Pearlman, the founder of NGP, now NGP VAN, was CTO of Hillary's 2008 run for president [2]. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Chair of the DNC, was campaign co-chair of Hillary's 2008 run for president [3]. Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor under Clinton, has criticized the DNC for being biased against the Sanders campaign several times [4] [5].

[1] http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/26373...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Wasserman_Schultz

[4] https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1119794974699764

[5] https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1120402367972358

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