I love this kind of site. Not that you can't scour up the content yourself using Google, but here's the thing... when you're trying to "teach yourself" something complex, one of the challenges you run into (in my experience) is understanding the order of the dependencies for prerequisites and sub-topics. And nothing is more frustrating than trying to read a book or a paper and feeling totally lost because you're miss…
Bingo. This is in complete contrast to visiting wikipedia where, for example, if I go to any mathematical concept, I seem to tumble down a series of holes that usually falls out somewhere much more abstract that what I need (usually topology). This is not to say topology is not important, but clearly becoming an expert topologist before learning wavelets (for example) would not be the most efficient way to learn the…
How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
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Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#42I'm happy to see that there is someone who is trying to help those who don't want to or can't go the traditional route of undergrad => grad school. Certainly I'm sure there are many others like me who have a strong, but amateur interest in a subject. Here I mean amateur in the sense that it is unpaid and done only out of love, as opposed to some measure of skill. Sadly I have no intention of studying theoretical phys…
> If anyone could point me towards something for theoretical computer science and algorithms Cheap trick: google up university course pages like [1], look at the syllabus and get the books listed. MIT's OpenCourseware has lots of stuff [2]. [1] http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~aho/cs3261/ [2] http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-comput...
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#43Has anyone here ever read or worked through Hrabovsky and Susskind's _The Theoretical Minimum: What You Need to Know to Start Doing Physics_? Same premise as this, I gather, but a whole book.
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#44I find it strange that no one in this discussion seems to notice the dripping sarcasm...
What do you mean? :(
"set up only for those who wish to become theoretical physicists, not just ordinary ones" --- use of 'ordinary' instead of 'experimental' is intentionally condescending, hopefully for sarcastic effect
"very best, those who are fully determined to earn their own Nobel Prize. If you are more modest than that" --- I'm not sure if this is actual encouragement or a joke. But the following:
"finish those lousy schools first and follow the regular routes provided by educators and specialized -gogues who are so damn carefully chewing all those tiny portions before feeding them to you." --- Must be a joke. Nobel prizes are not awarded to individuals these days, they go to collaborations. There is no way to get into a collaboration, or likely a PhD program without an undergraduate degree in Physics. Legally not allowed in many European countries to join a PhD program...
"More than rudimentary intelligence is assumed to be present, because ordinary students can master this material only when assisted by patient teachers." --- if this isn't sarcasm, then this guy is a monstrous prick who just decided to insult the 'rudimentary' intelligence of all Physics undergrads who deigned to actually attend college. Again with the 'ordinary'.
The opening paragraph continues the authors apparent disdain for school in general:
"But what if you are still young, at School, and before being admitted at a University, you have to endure the childish anecdotes that they call science there? What if you are older, and you are not at all looking forward to join those noisy crowds of young students?"
Which is a bit humerus considering the importance he himself places on fundamentals with:
"solid foundations in elementary mathematics and notions of classical (pre-20th century) physics. Don’t think that pre-20th century physics is “irrelevant”"
If it isn't sarcasm, then I have no idea why the author has decided to be so acerbic in his notation. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't actually mean to insult basically the 99% of physicists who don't show up in "Brilliant Mind"-esque movies.
edit: From his CV:
* Gymnasium-Beta, Dalton Lyceum, The Hague, 1964 * Physics and Mathematics, University of Utrecht * Kandidaatsexamen N1, 4 July 1966 * Doctoraal examen Theoretical Physics, 10 October 1969 * Promotie (PhD thesis) on the subject "Renormalization Procedure for Yang-Mills fields", 1 March 1972
i.e. He did basically all this stuff he is brushing off as worthless. As in going to classes, with teachers, at an undergraduate university, before applying for a PhD program.
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#45The most profound thing that the internet can do for the world is create a single monolithic repository of documents that is designed to take a dedicated reader from basic principles of math to a high degree of understanding in any subject. This is such an easy task compared to all of the other projects that happen on the internet, it is astonishing that we don't have anything like it yet. Wikipedia comes close. Khan…
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#46Has anyone here ever read or worked through Hrabovsky and Susskind's _The Theoretical Minimum: What You Need to Know to Start Doing Physics_? Same premise as this, I gather, but a whole book.
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#47Another interesting resource would be Penrose's book: "The road to reality".
It starts with basic maths and go all the way up to relativity and the standard model.
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you mean? :(
Basically the entirety of paragraph 3... "set up only for those who wish to become theoretical physicists, not just ordinary ones" --- use of 'ordinary' instead of 'experimental' is intentionally condescending, hopefully for sarcastic effect "very best, those who are fully determined to earn their own Nobel Prize. If you are more modest than that" --- I'm not sure if this is actual encouragement or a joke. But the fo…
> "set up only for those who wish to become theoretical physicists, not just ordinary ones" -> -- use of 'ordinary' instead of 'experimental' is intentionally condescending, hopefully for sarcastic effect
If you'd finished the sentence, you'd see: "but the very best, those who are fully determined to earn their own Nobel Prize. "
He is constrasting "ordinary" with "the very best". He isn't talking about experimental physics -- that's not his field.
> "finish those lousy schools first and follow the regular routes provided by educators and specialized -gogues who are so damn carefully chewing all those tiny portions before feeding them to you." --- Must be a joke. Nobel prizes are not awarded to individuals these days, they go to collaborations. There is no way to get into a collaboration, or likely a PhD program without an undergraduate degree in Physics. Legally not allowed in many European countries to join a PhD program...
The beauty of theoretical physics (and math) is that you don't need any expensive equipment or overpriced tuition. Just books and people to talk to. Both of these are available free (except some books cost $$$), on the Internet. That's enough to get started.
> "More than rudimentary intelligence is assumed to be present, because ordinary students can master this material only when assisted by patient teachers." --- if this isn't sarcasm, then this guy is a monstrous prick who just decided to insult the 'rudimentary' intelligence of all Physics undergrads who deigned to actually attend college. Again with the 'ordinary'.
It's a simple fact: Smarter folks can get farther without as much guidance from teachers.
> The opening paragraph continues the authors apparent disdain for school in general: "But what if you are still young, at School, and before being admitted at a University, you have to endure the childish anecdotes that they call science there? What if you are older, and you are not at all looking forward to join those noisy crowds of young students?"
Common K-12 schools in many countries generally teach science and math very poorly. This is not a controversial statement.
Colleges are full of 18-22-yr-olds, many of whom are there to party; not a comfortable environment for some 30+ year olds.
> Which is a bit humerus
You seem to have a bone to pick.
> considering the importance he himself places on fundamentals with: "solid foundations in elementary mathematics and notions of classical (pre-20th century) physics. Don’t think that pre-20th century physics is “irrelevant”"
What does that have to do with the high school and college learning experience?
>i .e. He did basically all this stuff he is brushing off as worthless. As in going to classes, with teachers, at an undergraduate university, before applying for a PhD program.
The into goes to lengths to explain the sort of person who doesn't fit into school, and would benefit from an autodidactic alternative. For everyone else...there's school. I don't know why you have such a chip against the possibility of thriving outside of college... too much student loans got you sour grapse?
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Basically the entirety of paragraph 3... "set up only for those who wish to become theoretical physicists, not just ordinary ones" --- use of 'ordinary' instead of 'experimental' is intentionally condescending, hopefully for sarcastic effect "very best, those who are fully determined to earn their own Nobel Prize. If you are more modest than that" --- I'm not sure if this is actual encouragement or a joke. But the fo…
You are misreading anger where there is slightly ascerbic honesty: > "set up only for those who wish to become theoretical physicists, not just ordinary ones" -> -- use of 'ordinary' instead of 'experimental' is intentionally condescending, hopefully for sarcastic effect If you'd finished the sentence, you'd see: "but the very best, those who are fully determined to earn their own Nobel Prize. " He is constrasting "o…
His words feel condescending to me.
Re: How to Become a Good Theoretical Physicist
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Basically the entirety of paragraph 3... "set up only for those who wish to become theoretical physicists, not just ordinary ones" --- use of 'ordinary' instead of 'experimental' is intentionally condescending, hopefully for sarcastic effect "very best, those who are fully determined to earn their own Nobel Prize. If you are more modest than that" --- I'm not sure if this is actual encouragement or a joke. But the fo…
You are misreading anger where there is slightly ascerbic honesty: > "set up only for those who wish to become theoretical physicists, not just ordinary ones" -> -- use of 'ordinary' instead of 'experimental' is intentionally condescending, hopefully for sarcastic effect If you'd finished the sentence, you'd see: "but the very best, those who are fully determined to earn their own Nobel Prize. " He is constrasting "o…
I know from the inside that _these_ actions are the most probable path to success. If some hot shot high school student reads his note, I can see them deciding that they are "brilliant mind" material and then start pursuing this course of action seriously. In my opinion that is a borderline surefire path to failure. College campus is _the_ place to learn physics: you learn physics from casual bar discussions about the fluid dynamics of beer, telling a pretty girl why stars twinkle and planets don't, explaining to stoners why cigarette smoke is blue off the cig and then grey when you exhale, pre-exam pizza binges, adding strobe settings to your dorm lights, and late night campus laser graffiti with your mates and professors. Not from lone wolfing down a textbook with a blackboard.
It's perfectly possible for him to convey his message without "ordinary", "childish", "noisy", "rudimentary", "tiny portions" etc. And if he's just putting together a guidebook for entertaining your interest in Physics, then that's cool. But saying this is the way to get a Nobel is ridiculous... hence my original comment about dripping sarcasm.
Also my original comment was just getting down voted (and someone asked for clarification) so I expounded.
And no, I got a ride through college.