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Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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out of curiosity what kind of jobs you take up that pay off so much?

Native mobile development for big businesses like banks or telcos. No startups as they often have lower budgets. But I know much more self employed professionals working on Java Web backends for big companies that earn equal or much more than I do.

But that's not remote, right?

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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Note that to submit jobs, here's the link: http://europeremotely.com/submit_job.html

(I started writing this as a question but found the answer myself in the footer links...)

We're based roughly around London time -- though we now have developers from Costa Rica to Bangalore. Bangalore was easy, though, and US timezones were harder. The gap in timezones there is big enough that it took us a while to jump that successfully (and people working in US timezones still need to be fairly independent), so I imagine it works similarly in the other direction (US-based companies hiring EU-based remote workers)... once the gap is more than 3-4 hours you either need an established core of senior full-stack people in that timezone range, or just proceed quite carefully and offer extra support.

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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When you are full-time employed, remotely, by a european company, and living in another european country, does anyone know : — do you set yourself up as a freelance consultant, and pay your healthcare and retirement fund yourself? — …or do you let the company pay that for you in the country they are based in, and somehow benefit from that? How does it work exactly for these social benefits that are very important in…

I'm doing exactly that, I'm self employed and take care of everything myself or at least I have someone taking care of it in my place. Of course I charge much more than a normal employee would, I make around 20k Euros per month. (pre-tax) Sounds like a lot - almost to the point where I sometimes feel like I have to excuse myself for it, but you also have to take into account that I have 10 years of all-round experien…

Thanks for the very interesting data point. If you can share this, may I ask you how many hours you need to work per week to get that amount?

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When you are full-time employed, remotely, by a european company, and living in another european country, does anyone know : — do you set yourself up as a freelance consultant, and pay your healthcare and retirement fund yourself? — …or do you let the company pay that for you in the country they are based in, and somehow benefit from that? How does it work exactly for these social benefits that are very important in…

In France it's risky to be self-employed and have only one customer, that could be re-qualified as a disguised employment. I don't know exactly how that works with foreign companies. edit: my remark on foreign company is that, by having no nexus in the country of the consultant, going after them seems difficult

It's exactly the same situation in Spain. (I'm freelance, spanish, working in Spain).

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#45

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And right you are. Once you account for all the taxes and expenses that you have to pay yourself, you lose a significant amount of money each month. Most people just read the 20k number, and think, "he's making 20k a month!!!1111".

Yes, I pay a 50% tax here. Additionally one has to consider that you might have some down time between two projects where you don't have any income. But still I'd encourage anyone interested to try. You'll not just improve your tech skill set, but if you make it work you'll also learn how to sell and to negotiate, which is a generally helpful skill to have in all areas of life.

Where are you based?

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

#46
I think a lot of these job postings would have a lot more success if they showed salary ranges, in fact that just applies to all job postings.

Why apply for EU remote working (if living in the EU) when you can remote work for a US based company? The timezone is off but programmers should be able to work autonomously and independently.

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post #16

When you are full-time employed, remotely, by a european company, and living in another european country, does anyone know : — do you set yourself up as a freelance consultant, and pay your healthcare and retirement fund yourself? — …or do you let the company pay that for you in the country they are based in, and somehow benefit from that? How does it work exactly for these social benefits that are very important in…

In France it's risky to be self-employed and have only one customer, that could be re-qualified as a disguised employment. I don't know exactly how that works with foreign companies. edit: my remark on foreign company is that, by having no nexus in the country of the consultant, going after them seems difficult

Same in Italy.

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Native mobile development for big businesses like banks or telcos. No startups as they often have lower budgets. But I know much more self employed professionals working on Java Web backends for big companies that earn equal or much more than I do.

But that's not remote, right?

Depends on the project. For banks it's less likely that you'll be able to do something remote, but for telcos it's less of a problem as they rely less on security by obscurity and both use and give back to Open Source projects a lot.

Also the financial sector doesn't consist only of banks, there are many well funded areas one could work for remotely.

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When you are full-time employed, remotely, by a european company, and living in another european country, does anyone know : — do you set yourself up as a freelance consultant, and pay your healthcare and retirement fund yourself? — …or do you let the company pay that for you in the country they are based in, and somehow benefit from that? How does it work exactly for these social benefits that are very important in…

In France it's risky to be self-employed and have only one customer, that could be re-qualified as a disguised employment. I don't know exactly how that works with foreign companies. edit: my remark on foreign company is that, by having no nexus in the country of the consultant, going after them seems difficult

It's similar in The Netherlands. If you are self-employed and have more than one customer it's pretty demonstrable that you are autonomous, can decline work, and the relationship is not solely to avoid an employment contract.

Contrary to popular (Dutch) belief, you do not have to have more than one customer... it's just that if you do it can be difficult to prove that you are autonomous. One test is if you are doing the same type of work that other employees in the company are doing.

I'm not sure how this works for for international agreements (self-employed in NL but only customer in DE).

Re: Europe Remotely – EU-friendly remote dev jobs

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I think a lot of these job postings would have a lot more success if they showed salary ranges, in fact that just applies to all job postings. Why apply for EU remote working (if living in the EU) when you can remote work for a US based company? The timezone is off but programmers should be able to work autonomously and independently.

Not posting salaries always baffles me. I mean, I understand the negotiating advantage. Maybe also wanting to keep salary information quite within the company. But, surely, this is a relevant piece of information for the person deciding to apply.

I'm surprised jobs sites don't enforce it. Only jobs with salary information are allowed.

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