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WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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My suspicion woud be that they triggered some automated anti-spam system. Intentionally blocking your competitor in this situation doesn't seem like a good idea, it mostly generates publicity for them.

Pretty good anti-spam system to also take down their Facebook page. I would go with intentional over automated.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

#42
post #40

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Even variable names? I know that class/method/field names are visible, but I didn't think that local variable names were. I can't see a reason for them to be, aside from debugging... and presumably they're not shipping a debug build.

It used to be incredibly common for production APKs to contain Java debug info (line numbers and variable names). IIRC, Android Studio now sets up the Release builds to strip this out and do basic ProGuard optimizations, but if WhatsApp was migrated from an old build system or something, it could easily be missing this step.

Those were the days ;)

I was under the impression that it's now no longer possible to upload an APK that has been built in Debug Mode to Google Play. I don't know if other app stores (i.e. Amazon App store) are enforcing this.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

#43
post #23

Isn't telegram just a really bad version of signal?

Only if literally the only thing you're looking for is security.

A big deal breaker for me is being able to use it without a phone number, and from desktop/sim-free devices, as well as from multiple devices simultaniously

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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post #17

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That's only true if you choose to obfuscate your code on android. I recently decompiled an apk and all variables/function names were perfectly readable

Even variable names? I know that class/method/field names are visible, but I didn't think that local variable names were. I can't see a reason for them to be, aside from debugging... and presumably they're not shipping a debug build.

I don't work with Android, but java code is usually visible after decompilation. Unless there is specific obfuscation tech being used, you should assume all your java code can be seen by others.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

#45
post #33

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Uhm, decent support on all your devices? (there's even a commandline client). Versus that ridiculous hack where you can whatsapp in the browser, provided you scan a qr code and have the phone on the same network.

I don't think WhatsApp Web is a ridiculous hack. Instead I think it's quite an ingenious hack to allow you to use a computer to send and receive messages without 1) dealing with the pesky message synchronisation issues that plague iMessage, and 2) having the server store all messages. And your phone only needs to be connected to the Internet, not necessarily on the same network. Regarding the use of QR code, I think…

Except that it stops working as soon as the phone enters sleep mode or (if you're roaming or something) has no reliable data connection.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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post #45
post #33

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I don't think WhatsApp Web is a ridiculous hack. Instead I think it's quite an ingenious hack to allow you to use a computer to send and receive messages without 1) dealing with the pesky message synchronisation issues that plague iMessage, and 2) having the server store all messages. And your phone only needs to be connected to the Internet, not necessarily on the same network. Regarding the use of QR code, I think…

Except that it stops working as soon as the phone enters sleep mode or (if you're roaming or something) has no reliable data connection.

Except that it stops working as soon as the phone enters sleep mode

Can't say I've ever experienced that.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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post #44

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Even variable names? I know that class/method/field names are visible, but I didn't think that local variable names were. I can't see a reason for them to be, aside from debugging... and presumably they're not shipping a debug build.

I don't work with Android, but java code is usually visible after decompilation. Unless there is specific obfuscation tech being used, you should assume all your java code can be seen by others.

Yes, the "code" is - it has to be in order for it to be executed. My point is that method variable names are not normally visible.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Uhm, decent support on all your devices? (there's even a commandline client). Versus that ridiculous hack where you can whatsapp in the browser, provided you scan a qr code and have the phone on the same network.

> there's even a commandline client This totally speaks to me but I imagine saying to my buddies at the club: "You should use Telegram. It's free, you don't need an account, and best of all there is even a command line client.". That'll convince them right away. ;-)

Did you missunderstand "... there is even ..." phrase?

For most people Telegram offers pretty good desktop clients (as opposed to the rather horrible WhatsApp web experience).

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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post #30
post #23

Isn't telegram just a really bad version of signal?

As far as I'm concerned, Signal is superior in every way. Telegram simply has gained a lot of publicity and increased its user base (which is critical for IM) thanks to E. Snowden.

> Telegram simply has gained a lot of publicity and increased its user base (which is critical for IM) thanks to E. Snowden

Why do you say that? Snowden keeps recommending Signal every time he's asked.

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