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John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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I swear the media has a bias too. So many articles are bashing encryption lately. I wish I could do more to fight misinformation and general ignorance than posting on my Facebook though. Ideas?

Encourage people to use HTTPS Everywhere.

Encourage website owners to use TLS, and to get a good grade on ssllabs.com.

Let's make it ubiquitous.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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"Republicans" Rand Paul is pretty openly pro-encryption. Hillary Clinton is equivocating; I think she's probably anti-encryption. These may be exceptions that prove the rule but I think what we're really seeing is a combination of ignorance, pandering and authoritarianism across the spectrum.

Isn't Rand Paul a libertarian?

Rand Paul is a big-R Republican whose views are generally characterized as small-l libertarian. So, yes, he's (in at least some respects) a libertarian (but not a Libertarian), but still a valid counterpoint to a generalization about Republicans, if it doesn't apply to him.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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We really need to set an age limit on how old people can get while staying in office before being forced to retire. We already prevent people younger than 40 from running for President. Why should we let people older than 65 do it? What's the difference?

35, not 40

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Republicans" Rand Paul is pretty openly pro-encryption. Hillary Clinton is equivocating; I think she's probably anti-encryption. These may be exceptions that prove the rule but I think what we're really seeing is a combination of ignorance, pandering and authoritarianism across the spectrum.

Isn't Rand Paul a libertarian?

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Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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Evidently he doesn't realize that this is like asking for addition or subtraction to be outlawed, which is nonsensical. Like adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing, encrypting is a mathematical operation that transforms numbers into other numbers.

How is that relevant? I disagree with him too, but this is a lousy argument.

It's a bit of a reducto-ad-absurdum simplification, but the argument is pointing out the fact that most people wouldn't ever consider valid a law that would prevent simpler mathematical operations, so why should we consider the validity of a law that would try to outlaw complicated mathematical operations.

How would it even be possible to enforce it?

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Republicans" Rand Paul is pretty openly pro-encryption. Hillary Clinton is equivocating; I think she's probably anti-encryption. These may be exceptions that prove the rule but I think what we're really seeing is a combination of ignorance, pandering and authoritarianism across the spectrum.

>Hillary Clinton is equivocating; I think she's probably anti-encryption Damn, we need her on our side as a proven expert in computer security and privacy.

To the extent that business, i.e. corporate, interests have her ear, I think encryption is safe.

Google donates how much to both sides?

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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>Encryption methods are far easier to transport and spread illegally than gun are. I won't go that far, I would say that getting a Gun in the US or even in Europe (especially since the eastern European and Balkan states have joined (officially or unofficially Schengen) is by far easier than setting up your own secure crypto from scratch. This isn't an argument in favor of banning crypto, just a hard simple truth that…

> I would say that getting a Gun in the US or even in Europe (especially since the eastern European and Balkan states have joined (officially or unofficially Schengen) is by far easier than setting up your own secure crypto from scratch. No, it is far easier to download an openbsd cd image from canada than it is to physically carry a gun.

OpenBSD cd image would give you absolutely nothing when it comes to defending against state level actors sorry. And you are assuming that in their proposed reality that would be as easily achievable as it is today, you'll be surprised how effective can a crackdown be once a government sets its mind to it.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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I love how Republicans believe that outlawing guns won't stop criminals from having guns while at the same time believing that outlawing encryption will keep criminals from using encryption. Encryption methods are far easier to transport and spread illegally than gun are.

This kind of insanity isn't along party lines.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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How can you tell the difference between, say, an OTP encrypted message and a random number?

To outlaw encryption that "the US govt can't crack" they have to outlaw random numbers hah, yeah.. I totally can imagine a future where PRNGs must be approved by the US government.

Re: John McCain wants to outlaw encryption that the US government can't crack

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I love how Republicans believe that outlawing guns won't stop criminals from having guns while at the same time believing that outlawing encryption will keep criminals from using encryption. Encryption methods are far easier to transport and spread illegally than gun are.

Keep your generalizations to yourself. There is a wide array of Republicans who believe in limited government not cracking private security because it doesn't belong there. McCain is a nice guy but is an extreme hawk.

McCain isn't a nice guy. He's always been opposed to every kind of civil rights and in favor of total central government power and total war.

He introduced the campaign finance bill that forced the government to argue before the Supreme Court that it had the power to ban books with political opinions it didn't agree with, the same argument that led to the Citizens United decision.

He made up a song about bombing Iran and sang it at campaign stops. (Tune of Beach Boys' Barbara Ann)

That's just the start. This encryption but is of a piece with his whole career. McCain is as bad as they come.

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