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Re: Ask PG: I'd like to delete my account.

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PG is the site admin, his mailbox is the appropriate place for site admin questions, surely?

The poster has said: "if there's some channel I can use that doesn't clutter his inbox" Since this is standard netiquette, actually his mailbox would be an extremely unusual place for questions like this.

What is standard nettiquette? Cluttering a site used by hundreds of people to ask an admin question to an admin? Yes the poster said he doesn't want to clutter his inbox, but regardless of want isn't that the right place for his question?

I know pg is PG, but that doesn't seem relevant to this.

Re: Ask PG: I'd like to delete my account.

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Not on online forums where you need to agree with a halfway decent User Agreement before you can open an account. You grant the forum copyright on your posts. There is, for instance, no way to get your posts removed from Anandtech's forum, if they don't want to. You get them anonimized at best.

a user agreement cannot override statutory rights.

Of course it can. Contracts and other agreements limit your rights in some way. That's the whole point of signing an an agreement: mutually agreeing to something that isn't guaranteed by any other existing law.

Re: Ask PG: I'd like to delete my account.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

a user agreement cannot override statutory rights.

Of course it can. Contracts and other agreements limit your rights in some way. That's the whole point of signing an an agreement: mutually agreeing to something that isn't guaranteed by any other existing law.

There are many rights that can in fact not be signed away.

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? http://mattmaroon.com/2009/05/01/hacker-news-disease/

Re: Ask PG: I'd like to delete my account.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it can. Contracts and other agreements limit your rights in some way. That's the whole point of signing an an agreement: mutually agreeing to something that isn't guaranteed by any other existing law.

There are many rights that can in fact not be signed away. You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? http://mattmaroon.com/2009/05/01/hacker-news-disease/

I have some idea of what I am talking about, because I do work for a large online forum, where the legal department has made it very clear that we do not need to honour requests by users to have their accounts deleted. We keep the right to display their contributions, because they have granted the forum copyright on those contributions. Not an exclusive copyright, mind you. We only have to anonimize their accounts and contents.

There is an inverse to the disease described in that article: the idea that someone with a lack of expert knowledge cannot possible say things that are correct, just because you disagree with him.

The following:

[something] cannot override statutory rights.

is a blanket statement, to which anyone can find counterexamples. You're just not trying, because you are too focussed on your original point.

In general, I know jack about the practice of law and I know it. However I know about this specific instance, because lawyers told me how it works, and I actually do know a bit about theory of law. I'm trying to explain to you how this specific practical fact of law could come about, based on theory of law. Specifically, the fact that laws fall short, for instance because of ambiguity and because of conflicts with other laws. Even the basest constitutional rights give rise to such conflicts, which is why judges are needed to interpret laws. Quite a few laws are around, specifically to stop gaps in other laws. Example: the first sale doctrine.

As an example of an obvious shortcoming: you are allowed to go wherever you want in a public place. The law specifies no limitation on that. However, there certainly is one very certain limitation: you cannot occupy the exact same space someone else is already occupying and you cannot get him to move by claiming your constitutional right to occupy that bit of space. It would be silly to actually codify such limitations in the laws, because their number cannot be exhausted. However, it is a very clear limitation on one of your fundamental rights. This is not my intelligence speaking: this is my knowledge of fundamental problems in philosophical theories of law and their very practical implications.

Re: Ask PG: I'd like to delete my account.

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> Not at all saying the subsidiary would be held responsible here (they are not operating the website in question anyway), Good, because the answer to that is clearly 'no', but > it can be argued that once YC has established a sufficient nexus within a particular country it can be held to its laws (in this case, DE data protection and privacy laws which are far stricter than those of NL, afaik). Suggested clearly oth…

I have not changed my stance on anything. Do not make deletions out to be more work than they really are, as others have mentioned the suppression of content from a particular account is already implemented to combat spam. Anyway, deletion of particular message is technically the same as allowing edits after 1hr with a fixed replacement text (such as "[deleted by user]"). User-triggered account "deletion" would be a…

Spam is not eliminated by deletion, it's eliminated by killing. If you set showdead=1 in your preferences, you can see the spam. It's annoying.

Re: Ask PG: I'd like to delete my account.

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post #18

Sorry to those who are curious, but I'm not going to state my reason - it's not all that personal but is still well with in the realm of "my own business". Surely it's not a prerequisite for deleting an account. If I knew that there wasn't a standard way to delete accounts I probably wouldn't have signed up in the first place. It might help keep the number of temporary accounts, so there's a chance that it's a featur…

> I could probably exit the site very rapidly by way of a submission script But that would certianly fall within the realm of "hacking"

It would fall under SPAMMING.
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