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The Lonely Death of George Bell

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Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

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To me, the saddest thing about George was that he seems to have merely existed, while he was alive. From the article, he didn't seem to have any passions or ambitions. He didn't seem to want to go and see things, experience things, do things. He died in the same apartment, he was born in. He didn't really live, he just was, completely passive, until he wasn't.

At least that is the impression I got from reading this.

Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

#42

We need a society where every person is needed and wanted. We need it more than any dumb technical advance that lessens the need for people, like robots delivering pizza or whatever. That will take some heavy thinking, though, and I feel that we haven't even started.

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Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

#43

We need a society where every person is needed and wanted. We need it more than any dumb technical advance that lessens the need for people, like robots delivering pizza or whatever. That will take some heavy thinking, though, and I feel that we haven't even started.

What would be the implications of such a society? Just because someone is needed and wanted does not neccesarily mean that they feel fulfilled. These "dumb" technical advances do alleviate the need for people. However, they do so with tasks or jobs that are often repetitive and mindless. Sure, more complex occupations don't ensure fulfillment, but they engage the mind in a way that it's arguably easier to find fulfillment. In this way this technology moves us forward to a society where we purse roles that optimize our sense of fulfillment. But, there are caveats to this as it assumes that everyone can find a form of income with their own set of circumstances. Technology empowers, but who and how we empower is the puzzle we need to solve.

Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

#44

To me, the saddest thing about George was that he seems to have merely existed, while he was alive. From the article, he didn't seem to have any passions or ambitions. He didn't seem to want to go and see things, experience things, do things. He died in the same apartment, he was born in. He didn't really live, he just was, completely passive, until he wasn't. At least that is the impression I got from reading this.

I wouldn't say that. The fact that him and "the Dude" "solved all the world's problems" in a parking lot seem to suggest he was a thinking person with at least some desire to better some of those around him. Not to mention the fact he thought about and wrote a will, the fact that he was in love, the fact he was missed by the vanishingly few who knew him.

Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

#45

I'm sorry but this is garbage in my view. We need to use the time we have in order to do the things that are important to us , not to enrich "others" whoever they may be. This obsession about society and socializing and following norms and "fitting in" is one of the things that are seriously fucked up in the western world. We need more people who have gone sideways , more recluses, more geniuses, more people who do n…

Someone already replied to you about norms, although you could, in an extreme case, consider people liking you as having attached to it some expectation (like you liking them back) as a norm. At the end of the day, you have freedom to choose your own values and live by them.

The idea that society will out live us as individuals is a fact, however. That does not need to bother you, and if it doesn't, I can disagree but I can do nothing to stop you from enjoying yourself.

Mr. George, at least in some capacity, enjoyed the company of others. He was not a complete introvert then, so he might not have had your extreme aversion to people. Moreover, his death was clearly felt in some people, so unless we are only allowed to consider his feelings, his aversion to others had negative effects on at least one or two other people.

Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

#46

I'm sorry but this is garbage in my view. We need to use the time we have in order to do the things that are important to us , not to enrich "others" whoever they may be. This obsession about society and socializing and following norms and "fitting in" is one of the things that are seriously fucked up in the western world. We need more people who have gone sideways , more recluses, more geniuses, more people who do n…

There is literally nothing objectively "meaningful" to do that we know of. At all. Anywhere. Ever.

The concepts of "meaning" and "meaningful" come from the human mind, it's subjective. Anything can be 'meaningful' to someone and not to someone else.

The point is not to make other people sad when you're gone, the point is to make other people (and yourself) happier while you're alive.

Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

#47

I'm sorry but this is garbage in my view. We need to use the time we have in order to do the things that are important to us , not to enrich "others" whoever they may be. This obsession about society and socializing and following norms and "fitting in" is one of the things that are seriously fucked up in the western world. We need more people who have gone sideways , more recluses, more geniuses, more people who do n…

There is literally nothing objectively "meaningful" to do that we know of. At all. Anywhere. Ever. The concepts of "meaning" and "meaningful" come from the human mind, it's subjective. Anything can be 'meaningful' to someone and not to someone else. The point is not to make other people sad when you're gone, the point is to make other people (and yourself) happier while you're alive.

Agreed, and there's no guarantee that pursuing what we deem to be meaningful at the expense of interpersonal relationships will leave a mark on humanity. As a matter of fact, a lot of great men and women are/were the product of investments (not necessarily monetary) from their parents, teachers, friends, and family.

Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

#49
post #43

We need a society where every person is needed and wanted. We need it more than any dumb technical advance that lessens the need for people, like robots delivering pizza or whatever. That will take some heavy thinking, though, and I feel that we haven't even started.

What would be the implications of such a society? Just because someone is needed and wanted does not neccesarily mean that they feel fulfilled. These "dumb" technical advances do alleviate the need for people. However, they do so with tasks or jobs that are often repetitive and mindless. Sure, more complex occupations don't ensure fulfillment, but they engage the mind in a way that it's arguably easier to find fulfil…

I think for most people, the need for intellectual fulfillment at work is much less important than the need to be needed.

Re: The Lonely Death of George Bell

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post #31

We need a society where every person is needed and wanted. We need it more than any dumb technical advance that lessens the need for people, like robots delivering pizza or whatever. That will take some heavy thinking, though, and I feel that we haven't even started.

> We need a society where every person is needed and wanted. I'd rather live in a society where every person was self-sufficiently mirthful, with people-interaction being little more than the cherry on top of sundae. This is what individualism was originally meant to be, but people continue to undermine the power of instinctual passions (acknowledging something is the first step to eradicating it).

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