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OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by tjr »

pkaye wrote: post #34

I'm eager to upgrade so is this a fairly safe upgrade or are there kinks that need to be worked out?

I use a lot of audio production applications. I'm still on Mavericks, actually, because I haven't wanted to pay to upgrade perfectly fine software just so I could use a newer operating system. I have been receiving notices from software application vendors alerting me "Please strongly consider not upgrading to El Capitan yet, as there are compatibility issues that we need to work out."

So I'd guess the answer is -- it depends on what applications you want to continue using on your computer.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by Scarbutt »

bdcravens wrote: post #39
Scarbutt wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must be missing something, if you are going to do a wipe and fresh install why not go directly to el capitan?

If you do a full reinstall via cmd+r I'm unaware if it goes to El Capitan or the last installed version; obviously going direct would be the best approach.

Oh, I just make a USB drive capitan boot installer.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by emsy »

bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

Coming from Yosemite, you should clean you Mac with petrol. But seriously, Yosemite was such a mess, it felt like an old Windows installation where formatting is the only way to regain a decent performance. I'm glad I made a clean install with the GM 2 weeks ago. The system is way better than Yosemite (but still far from being as stable as Mountain Lion)

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

falcolas wrote: post #14
alexbock wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you misunderstand how "rootless" works. Nothing is stopping you from using "sudo su" if you want to be root for some reason. The new security features prevent certain system files from being modified even if you are logged in as root. This can be disabled if you boot into recovery mode and use the terminal. More info: https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/ios/documenta...

> The new security features prevent certain system files from being modified even if you are logged in as root. As a superuser, this annoys me. As a security conscious sysadmin, I'm mostly OK with this, though the lack of access except via recovery mode makes for a potential aggravation (makes remote assistance hard).

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Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by Demiurge »

spython wrote: post #23
filsmick wrote: post #18

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What do you use instead? You navigate exclusively from your terminal?

I've used Forklift for years, very stable: http://www.binarynights.com/forklift/

I would do, but it fails to open my OpenLDAP/nfs mounted home :(

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by duaneb »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #38
on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

That’s System Integrity Protection. Under it, system files cannot be deleted or modified, even with sudo. It protects down to the block level, so even if you try to bypass the file system and write to blocks composing system files directly you’ll get an error. This can be disabled but I wouldn’t advise doing so unless you have a really good reason to.

Modifying /usr isn't THAT unusual.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by teej »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #38
on_ wrote: post #30

Just upgraded. Can't delete apps. Anyone figured this out yet? Admin accound sudo rm -rf "game center.app" is returning operation not permitted. Appcleaner is not even able to find the packkages much less delete them. I have the GM though. What is this about? Edit: upgrading to the appstore version. Not sure if this was GM specific, or they are locking the Os down even more. Edit2: if you forget your password immeadi…

That’s System Integrity Protection. Under it, system files cannot be deleted or modified, even with sudo. It protects down to the block level, so even if you try to bypass the file system and write to blocks composing system files directly you’ll get an error. This can be disabled but I wouldn’t advise doing so unless you have a really good reason to.

I'm glad game center.app is so well protected.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by duaneb »

iyn wrote: post #22
trevorhartman wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One solution that I've adopted: never use Finder.

I'm new to the OS X: what do you use instead then? Is there a good alternative to Finder?

There's Path Finder, but the Finder is pretty central to OS X, so it's going to have its rough edges.

However, Spotlight + unix + the dock does wonders for avoiding needing to browse at all.

Re: OS X El Capitan on the Mac App Store

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Post by emehrkay »

bdcravens wrote: post #21

If time is an issue, consider doing a wipe and fresh install then upgrade instead of upgrade in place. Apparently if you have Homebrew it gets stuck at 2 minutes, potentially for several hours.

I upgraded to the gold master a while back on an iMac and didn't run into this problem. Do we know if it is different for the final release. Oh and a sidenote, my unix tools were not broken after this update. They typically are and need to be reinstalled
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