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Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by Frondo »

cLeEOGPw wrote: post #14
Camillo wrote: post #6

There seems to be a sizable number of people who do not feel represented by the narrow range of options that the political establishment has deigned to offer them, and who are tired of having to accept what the powers that be have declared inevitable. Because of the way the American political system works, this dissatisfaction seldom finds expression ("what, are you going to waste your vote?"), but when an outsider w…

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sand…

Political correctness, as far as I've been able to tell, boils down in most cases to: be respectful in how you treat people, because the ubiquitous disrespect shown to women/minorities/gays/whoever is no longer considered appropriate or praiseworthy.

I don't think I've ever heard someone complain about political correctness run amok, and had it turn out that they weren't just complaining--in careful language, mind--about uppity black people or women trying to rise above their station (i.e. the kitchen).

You might not be referring to that, of course. What do you mean about "sick and tired of political correctness"? And what demands are being made that are so burdensome? Is it the stuff about not assuming muslims are terrorists, or not assuming brown people are illegals? Is it the bit about not tossing around phrases like "anchor babies," or the thing about putting a woman on a common denomination of currency?

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by Lewton »

ars wrote: post #17
bra-ket wrote: post #10

God forbid America will be ruled by Trump and Russia by Zhirinovsky, this is a recipe for a nuclear extinction event

Nah. A good president really only needs just one skill: Knowing how to hire good people. Other than that the president himself can be just a figurehead for entertainment. Trump clearly knows how to hire good people, so while I would not vote for him, I'm also not really worried about what will happen if he does win. If you think about it, the skillset needed to win an election, is not the same skillset you need for m…

>Trump clearly knows how to hire good people

What gave you that impression?

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

#43

Post by seivan »

Frondo wrote: post #41
cLeEOGPw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sand…

Political correctness, as far as I've been able to tell, boils down in most cases to: be respectful in how you treat people, because the ubiquitous disrespect shown to women/minorities/gays/whoever is no longer considered appropriate or praiseworthy. I don't think I've ever heard someone complain about political correctness run amok, and had it turn out that they weren't just complaining--in careful language, mind--a…

You forgot the part where it's used to harass and chase people you might consider to be 'fascists'. Where it's justified for the Gulag ;-)

But if you want to keep thinking it's about respect and not abused by people, sure, that's pretty noble.

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

#44

Post by camelite »

lsc wrote: post #38
cLeEOGPw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sand…

>Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. If you are an average straight white man, yeah, it sure looks like things aren't getting better. Your wages haven't increased much at all (adjusted for inflation) since the '70s. And yeah, women and the gays and men who aren't white (though, I think it's mostly women; there…

Google 'trump polls women'. Then reassess.

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

#45

Post by [deleted] »

lsc wrote: post #38
cLeEOGPw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. And Trump caught on to that and just throws vague remarks here and there in that direction. And desperate voters say "fuck it, he might just be crazy enough to not go back to the same line all the other presidents come back to after they are elected". Same with Sand…

>Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. If you are an average straight white man, yeah, it sure looks like things aren't getting better. Your wages haven't increased much at all (adjusted for inflation) since the '70s. And yeah, women and the gays and men who aren't white (though, I think it's mostly women; there…

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Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by fjarlq »

kelukelugames wrote: post #15

I don't want to believe this. Had to be a 4chan raid on the polls, right? > It took a village of birthers to get Republicans to the point where only 29 percent of them now believe that Obama was born in America (and 54 percent identify him as a Muslim), according to an August survey by Public Policy Polling. Far from being a fake Republican, Trump speaks for the party’s overwhelming majority. Edit: http://www.publicp…

There are a lot of people who believe surprising things. For example, from a 2013 Harris poll:

  58% believe in The Devil (26% don't)
  47% believe in evolution (29% don't)
  42% believe in ghosts    (37% don't)
  36% believe in UFOs      (35% don't)
  26% believe in witches   (54% don't)
-- http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/...

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by Frondo »

seivan wrote: post #43
Frondo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political correctness, as far as I've been able to tell, boils down in most cases to: be respectful in how you treat people, because the ubiquitous disrespect shown to women/minorities/gays/whoever is no longer considered appropriate or praiseworthy. I don't think I've ever heard someone complain about political correctness run amok, and had it turn out that they weren't just complaining--in careful language, mind--a…

You forgot the part where it's used to harass and chase people you might consider to be 'fascists'. Where it's justified for the Gulag ;-) But if you want to keep thinking it's about respect and not abused by people, sure, that's pretty noble.

As far as I know, the political correctness police don't actually send anyone to forced labor camps, because, of course, no such thing exists.

As for being harassed or chased, again, it seems like, if there's any merit to that accusation of harassment or "chasing," the beleaguered not-politically-correct victims of that could, you know, call the cops or file a restraining order or whatever.

Those are actual real-world behaviors you're accusing the political correctness police of making, but I guess I just don't buy it. Well-meaning, respectful people are being "harassed" or "chased" by some foul political correctness police? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by lsc »

camelite wrote: post #44
lsc wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. If you are an average straight white man, yeah, it sure looks like things aren't getting better. Your wages haven't increased much at all (adjusted for inflation) since the '70s. And yeah, women and the gays and men who aren't white (though, I think it's mostly women; there…

Google 'trump polls women'. Then reassess.

yeah, and I see a lot of references to how well he does among "GOP women" or women who vote republican already. That's a rather different sort, I think.

(interestingly, I see a bunch of references to the idea that a reasonably large percentage of women identify as democrats.)

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by sid- »

peterwwillis wrote: post #34

“Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American business…

Wow. Really loved that. Pretty insightful...maybe we should elect this guy

Re: The Importance of Donald Trump

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Post by Frondo »

[deleted] wrote: post #45
lsc wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Despite what media wants people to believe, may are sick and tired of political correctness and bending down to everyone's demands for anything. If you are an average straight white man, yeah, it sure looks like things aren't getting better. Your wages haven't increased much at all (adjusted for inflation) since the '70s. And yeah, women and the gays and men who aren't white (though, I think it's mostly women; there…

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