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Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Post by belorn »

rubidium wrote: post #14

Headline is misleading. They do have consent. This is one reason I don't allow automatic updates. MS statement: "For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade."

What consent is that if people don't understands the facts, implications, and future consequences of the action. Worse, updates has an common perception to be small security fixes.

Should we call it uninformed consent? tricked consent? non-binding consent?

If we want to use legal terms, is 6G download ordinarily and reasonably to be contemplated by the user?

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Post by melling »

johnward wrote: post #36

I don't get the "without consent" part. If you have automatic updates on you consent to them automatically downloading things.

It's crazy that Microsoft gets so much heat for trying everything it can to get people to its latest OS. By this time next week, a couple hundred million people will be running iOS 9. Within six months they should have 85-90% of their users on it. This makes it better for Apple, developers, and the users. Windows needs a little more of an "onward" mentality.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Post by dasil003 »

belorn wrote: post #41
rubidium wrote: post #14

Headline is misleading. They do have consent. This is one reason I don't allow automatic updates. MS statement: "For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade."

What consent is that if people don't understands the facts, implications, and future consequences of the action. Worse, updates has an common perception to be small security fixes. Should we call it uninformed consent? tricked consent? non-binding consent? If we want to use legal terms, is 6G download ordinarily and reasonably to be contemplated by the user?

Unfortunately I think in the computing world the idea that it is even possible to understand the facts, implications and consequences of an action is increasingly a fantasy.

It's hard enough for the seasoned geek to acquire enough knowledge actually understand how a computer works. But then you throw in cloud services where the source of truth becomes blurred, and the services are constantly changing under your nose. Even assuming the best of intentions from companies building these systems, it's impossible to keep up.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Post by ars »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #7
sp332 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The default selection is to download and install updates automatically. You'd think they would check for available disk space beforehand though.

Is there a reason Windows just lets you run out of disk space? On Linux when I'm downloading something and come close to running out of space the download stops and I get an alert saying I need to delete something.

That's the program doing that, not the OS.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Post by 9872 »

belorn wrote: post #41
rubidium wrote: post #14

Headline is misleading. They do have consent. This is one reason I don't allow automatic updates. MS statement: "For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade."

What consent is that if people don't understands the facts, implications, and future consequences of the action. Worse, updates has an common perception to be small security fixes. Should we call it uninformed consent? tricked consent? non-binding consent? If we want to use legal terms, is 6G download ordinarily and reasonably to be contemplated by the user?

Users don't understand anything. This is not new.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Post by 9872 »

pdkl95 wrote: post #27
rubidium wrote: post #14

Headline is misleading. They do have consent. This is one reason I don't allow automatic updates. MS statement: "For individuals who have chosen to receive automatic updates through Windows Update, we help upgradable devices get ready for Windows 10 by downloading the files they’ll need if they decide to upgrade."

First, default settings are never "consent". Second, even if they did consent to automatic updates, that obviously applies to updating the current product they purchased. Upgrading to a different model is obviously not what people expect. Most people expect that their car will receive necessary updates (recall notices), which obviously doesn't include exchanging the car for next years model without some sort of addit…

Every update is a different model. Whether they call it 8.1 with KB 1498028 or Windows 10 is simply marketing.

Re: Microsoft Is Downloading 6GB of Windows 10 Updates Without User’s Consent

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Post by 9872 »

malux85 wrote: post #13

Holy smoke - this isn't very good. My parents in NZ only get 1 or 2 GB a month ... this would have cost them a fortune. Fortunately I switched them to mac last year. Microsoft : You suck.

I think you will find that it is your parents' ISP who sucks.
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