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Re: Beat the Fed

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Perhaps I am economically naive, but why does there need to be any inflation? Why isn't 0 a target?

Banks are typically leveraged about 12 to 1 meaning that one dollar of the banks money is paired with 11 dollars of depositors money to fund a loan. Since the banks capital is scarce relative to depositors funds it is usually the limiting factor in how many loans can be made and the overall amount of money in the economy.

When banks make a bad loan and are forced to write of the loan each dollar of loss results in 11 less dollars of loans that can be made. When this happens to a lot of banks at the same time you get a general decrease in the money supply and general deflation (like the Great Depression).

A positive rate of inflation allows banks to resolve some bad loans simply by holding the loan until inflation increases the asset value above the loan amount rather than a write-off. Positive inflation, in other words, is a lubricant for the banking system to make it easier to resolve bad loans which makes issuing loans simpler.

With zero percent inflation banks would demand higher standards for underwriting such as stronger credit and larger down payments. that would generally mean loans would be directed mostly towards older, larger and more established industries and less to newer and smaller industries. Less loans for young people and more for older people.

As a side note what makes the Federal Reserve special is that it is allowed to make loans with infinite leverage on capital. That means instead of a 1 to 12 ration of a typical bank it could be 1 to 100 or 1 to 1000. To keep this special position any profits are foreited to the U.S. Government and implicitly any losses are also eaten by the U.S. Government as well. Which is why which assets the Feseral Reserve purchases is a sensitive topic.

Re: Beat the Fed

#42
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People with money just sitting on cash (instead of investing) is a nightmare scenario - it's the shape of global economic meltdown. Capitalism requires that people with capital invest it. In theory, capital gets something worth more than what they spent, a business is created, it pays employees who pay other businesses who pay employees, etc. and you get a self-sustaining cycle of prosperity. Everybody is better off…

If deflation encourages hoarding, why don't we see that in items that are well understood to be deflationary? An example is technology. Everyone knows that the value of their smartphone will decrease by ~25-50% a year, but we still purchase them. Economists discount deflation as being dangerous with just one sentence (it encourages hoarding). Are there any examples of deflation actually being harmful in an economy? T…

>items that are well understood to be deflationary

People buy smartphones because they want smartphones, not to make money on them. Rational capitalists, on the other hand, use their assets in a way that maximizes gain and minimizes risk.

In an inflationary economy, the best investments are profitable businesses, or derivatives/aggregates thereof. Your capital is put to use buying means of production that makes more money than it costs and employs people along the way. Every year, the prices of the products you sell rise higher, but you've already paid for the factory! And you're incentivized to fund that factory now, because factories are only going to get more expensive.

In a deflationary economy, cash is a low-risk/high-reward investment. Business, meanwhile, is hard - high-risk, aggregate low reward. Yes, consumers have more buying power, but production capacity is created and scaled by going into debt to buy capital equipment. In a deflationary economy, the real value of debt is increasing while prices are falling. So every day, the output of your assembly line is worth less, but what you owe on the line itself hasn't changed. You just have to hope that you can pay off the factory and make some profit faster than the price of the widget it makes approaches zero.

Why isn't this the case with technology? Because with technology, the rate of descent of the price people will pay for, say, smartphones still leaves room for a profit margin compared to the rate at which production is getting cheaper, and last year's high-end production lines are still useful for making what's now a third-world phone.

When you eventually get to a point of losing money on your factory, you lay off your employees, who now have less money to buy things from other factories, and if the economy gets on the wrong side of that snowball you're looking at hell. The more this happens, the more likely investors are to stop investing in businesses and park their wealth in cash. The same checking account balance will always be able to buy a bigger factory tomorrow. You effectively stop the pump of economic activity, causing recession.

In the crudest terms, the central bank printing currency like crazy can make sitting on cash an even worse option than investing in business again, so you opt for the latter.

tl;dr deflation makes it more rational to own money and less rational to own things that try to make money by employing people.

Re: Beat the Fed

#43
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post #36

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Money works differently from technology. You can trade old cash for an amount of new cash with the same face value whenever you want. If I bought a computer for $600 in 1980, it's not going to be traded for $600 today. But if I got a $600 check in 1980, I could cash it today for $600. Inflation is what makes this a reasonable thing to do. If money deflated, I wouldn't cash my check, I'd want to hold it for as long as…

Yes you may not cash it in today if it's going to be worth more tomorrow but you also wouldn't have the money to use for something else you value. I don't see how that's different from choosing not to spend $600 for a computer today knowing that it'll be only cost $500 a year from now. You buy it today because it has a higher value to you now rather than a year from now (we still prefer things sooner as opposed to la…

I wrote a longer reply, but the problem is you're looking at this from the side of consumers consuming things they want. I don't give a shit about the resale value of my Macbook Pro, and in 2015 if you're buying a new car you're well aware that you're throwing away the first third of its value in 5 years. Deflation is not a concern when we're talking about people buying things for the joy of owning them.

What we're talking about is investors buying things (like capital equipment) for the purpose of making money. But even for an individual - would you go $200k into debt for a house that's going to be worth $50k in 10 years? Of course not! A rational actor would even shy away from leases - you want to jump to something cheaper (or better for the same price) as frequently as possible, to minimize the amount of time that you're paying above market value for housing. Just like how you want to move between tech jobs relatively frequently to minimize the amount of time you're being paid below market value.

Re: Beat the Fed

#44
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People with money just sitting on cash (instead of investing) is a nightmare scenario - it's the shape of global economic meltdown. Capitalism requires that people with capital invest it. In theory, capital gets something worth more than what they spent, a business is created, it pays employees who pay other businesses who pay employees, etc. and you get a self-sustaining cycle of prosperity. Everybody is better off…

If deflation encourages hoarding, why don't we see that in items that are well understood to be deflationary? An example is technology. Everyone knows that the value of their smartphone will decrease by ~25-50% a year, but we still purchase them. Economists discount deflation as being dangerous with just one sentence (it encourages hoarding). Are there any examples of deflation actually being harmful in an economy? T…

Well it's not just one sentence. One of the problems with deflation is debt payments. And the value of labor, assets and prices.

Lets say a store has $50,000 worth of inventory bought on revolving credit. In normal times, $50k worth of inventory might sell for $100k. The $50 worth of gross margin goes to pay, labor costs, rent, and the owners take. Lets say due to deflation that 50k is now only going to sell for $90k, the business is short $10k. What's the owner going to do?

Go out out business that's what.

So the problem with deflation is it tends to rape the books of perfectly well run businesses. And then you get cascading failure. The mill has a cash flow problem, goes bankrupt, and then half the business in town close.

A most subtle problem is a lot of businesses really run on credit backed by pledged collateral. The chain of collateral forms what called a credit chain. When you have deflation and a demand slump the assessed value of the collateral becomes suspect. Credit chains shorten and collapse. And businesses can't get liquidity. And then fail.

It goes on and on.

Re: Beat the Fed

#45
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True. And yet, it still means there is some pushing of demand into the future due to the deflating prices. Which means that your argument in the GGP post is false. The fact that, despite the pushing of some demand into the future, Apple makes tons of revenue does not change the fact that demand is still being pushed into the future. That is, your reply, while true, is irrelevant.

>True. And yet, it still means there is some pushing of demand into the future due to the deflating prices. Which means that your argument in the GGP post is false. I never said deflation cannot defer people's demand. The comment I originally responded to indicated that a deflation rate of 1% would, in general, discourage spending. I would wager, that almost no one defer buying an iPhone if they knew for a fact that…

1% deflation doesn't shift demand very much. OK, I'll buy that. (Pun not intended, but not avoided.)

Re: Beat the Fed

#46
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People with money just sitting on cash (instead of investing) is a nightmare scenario - it's the shape of global economic meltdown. Capitalism requires that people with capital invest it. In theory, capital gets something worth more than what they spent, a business is created, it pays employees who pay other businesses who pay employees, etc. and you get a self-sustaining cycle of prosperity. Everybody is better off…

If deflation encourages hoarding, why don't we see that in items that are well understood to be deflationary? An example is technology. Everyone knows that the value of their smartphone will decrease by ~25-50% a year, but we still purchase them. Economists discount deflation as being dangerous with just one sentence (it encourages hoarding). Are there any examples of deflation actually being harmful in an economy? T…

> Are there any examples of deflation actually being harmful in an economy?

According to the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, no: https://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications/the-region/defla...

In fact, one of the theorists there suggested a rate of -3% (or 3% deflation) might be optimal.

Re: Beat the Fed

#47
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People with money just sitting on cash (instead of investing) is a nightmare scenario - it's the shape of global economic meltdown. Capitalism requires that people with capital invest it. In theory, capital gets something worth more than what they spent, a business is created, it pays employees who pay other businesses who pay employees, etc. and you get a self-sustaining cycle of prosperity. Everybody is better off…

If deflation encourages hoarding, why don't we see that in items that are well understood to be deflationary? An example is technology. Everyone knows that the value of their smartphone will decrease by ~25-50% a year, but we still purchase them. Economists discount deflation as being dangerous with just one sentence (it encourages hoarding). Are there any examples of deflation actually being harmful in an economy? T…

Good question.

I am not skilled in econ, but isn't this because the utility of new technology increases faster than inflation? In other words, utility(technology1, t1)/cost(technology1, t1) Ignoring any affects of supply and demand,

If I buy a tractor 1.0 today for X dollars to produce Y units of utility (i.e. Y/X), but tomorrow tractor 2.0 costs 2X dollars (with inflation) to produce 4Y units of utility (i.e. 2Y/X), then my tractor 1.0 should be worth 1/2 dollars tomorrow (assuming that it still has Y units of utility). And, I may buy a tractor 2.0.

But, if on the next day, tractor 3.0 comes out and still has 4Y units of utility (technology stagnation) but costs X dollars (deflation occurs and production costs have gone down), then my tractor 2.0 should be worth 4X dollars. I'm not going to buy tractor 3.0.

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