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We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Scaleway kindly donated a node to host a DNSCrypt public resolver.

Zero problems since January.

This hardware is perfect to host a DNS server. Unlike a VM, the performance is predictable, and setting up the server couldn't be any easier.

Not a bad choice to host Docker containers (Docker works fine on this architecture) that don't require tons of memory.

They have quite a lot of Linux distributions available, but I'm even more excited about the Bitrig port which is being worked on.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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This makes them very similar in price to Digital Ocean, even slightly cheaper. I wonder what the performance comparison would be between their equivalent tiers... Their S3-compatible object storage is also quite appealing. Being in North America though, I'd love if they had a data centre option here too.

benchmark : "Scaleway vs DigitalOcean and deploying web apps on an ARM server" ( By Martin Rusev on 28.05.2015 )

"In all my tests, the performance of their servers was slower compared to DigitalOcean, but this could be because they are using Network drivers(LSSD) and a 32bit ARM architecture(armv7l)"

https://www.amon.cx/blog/scaleway-vs-digitalocean-and-deploy...

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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This makes them very similar in price to Digital Ocean, even slightly cheaper. I wonder what the performance comparison would be between their equivalent tiers... Their S3-compatible object storage is also quite appealing. Being in North America though, I'd love if they had a data centre option here too.

It's 180ms from a residential Canadian connection so I'd imagine it's similar from some parts of the US. Expecting ~300ms from my Australian ADSL connection (compared to ~190ms to an LA based DigitalOcean instance). vpsbench on Scaleway: CPU model: ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7l) Number of cores: 4 CPU frequency: MHz Total amount of RAM: 2022 MB Total amount of swap: 0 MB System uptime: 10 min, I/O speed: 99.6 MB/s Bzip…

Wait, what's the CPU frequency on Scaleway?

I just created a test instance with them and ran an open source project of mine. It runs just as fast as anywhere else, but compiling it takes 5 times as long. Investigating further to see if it's just something about my (weird) project.

Edit: ah pella posted a comment at the same time as me with details on just how slow the ARM CPU is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10161307. The benchmarks linked there are 15x slower on single-threaded workloads.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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For every comparison we should take into account that scaleway offers dedicated hardware, not a VPS. Also I think its important to note that they (currently) only offer one very "small" server model, so your whole application would have to be able to scale horizontally really well to be able to run on such infrastructure. So you can't have a few big database servers and a lot of small stateless application servers, w…

But... Scaleway is a spinoff of Online.net which offers fine (and cheap) dedicated Intel servers. I don't know (yet) the ping between Scaleway and online.net but it's probably low enough to allow scaling "workers" on ARM servers, while DBs are kept on 64bits dedicated Intel servers. Also if you want to scale horizontally, you probably want to scale on more than one datacenter (online provides that too).

You are correct that you maybe can combine that with dedicated servers from online.net, but managing that might be a headache. Scaleway presents itself as a cloud service after all, where easy/automated management, quick scaling, rapid deployment etc is an important part of the equation.

Good point that they seem to be missing multiple availability zones.

A lot can be forgiven at that price.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... Scaleway is a spinoff of Online.net which offers fine (and cheap) dedicated Intel servers. I don't know (yet) the ping between Scaleway and online.net but it's probably low enough to allow scaling "workers" on ARM servers, while DBs are kept on 64bits dedicated Intel servers. Also if you want to scale horizontally, you probably want to scale on more than one datacenter (online provides that too).

You are correct that you maybe can combine that with dedicated servers from online.net, but managing that might be a headache. Scaleway presents itself as a cloud service after all, where easy/automated management, quick scaling, rapid deployment etc is an important part of the equation. Good point that they seem to be missing multiple availability zones. A lot can be forgiven at that price.

It looks pretty clean to me to have dedicated intel servers with lots of memory and local disks for DBs, and workers that can be easily started with an API!

We are currently running on online's dedicated intel servers (among others), but we've kept an eye on their ARM offering...

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

#46

(The title currently just says '2,99 per month'. This should probably be changed "2.99€" instead, since a lot of people would expect HN to default to USD. Even I (living in Germany) was surprised it was in Euro.)

I'd say the currency should be always specified even if it was USD. I don't see why the US should be the "default" for everything.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would probably optimize for the other extreme of "Apple model" premium/full-service expensive hosting that has fantastic uptime, gear and sales/support for enterprise/startup and IT/web operations... There's some more money in that and less headaches. (The most money seems to be in the upper-middle pricepoint area.) A few weeks ago, I'd say "You mean AWS", but after this morning, and a few other incidents over th…

I have fantastic uptime on linode. Averages probably 9 months?

I've had a similar experience on Linode as well. In fact, in the few months that I have been using Digital Ocean for a personal server they have had more outages than the past ~2 years on Linode.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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post #42
post #4

This makes them very similar in price to Digital Ocean, even slightly cheaper. I wonder what the performance comparison would be between their equivalent tiers... Their S3-compatible object storage is also quite appealing. Being in North America though, I'd love if they had a data centre option here too.

benchmark : "Scaleway vs DigitalOcean and deploying web apps on an ARM server" ( By Martin Rusev on 28.05.2015 ) "In all my tests, the performance of their servers was slower compared to DigitalOcean, but this could be because they are using Network drivers(LSSD) and a 32bit ARM architecture(armv7l)" https://www.amon.cx/blog/scaleway-vs-digitalocean-and-deploy...

FAQ: https://www.scaleway.com/faq/server/

"How does the SSD storage perform?

SSD drives provide excellent performances with a really low latency. They perform especially well with random access patterns. Our SSD storage provide an average latency of 550 μs (550 microseconds) when a traditional rotating drive has a latency of several miliseconds.

We provide 2000 IOPS (an IO is a 4K random read or write access) per 50GB chunk you buy. It means that if you buy a 150GB volume (3 chunks), you will get about 6000 IOPS (3x2000).

To enjoy the performance of your volume, your application needs to use parallel IO. The total bandwidth of your volumes is limited to 120MB/s by the network link."

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

#49
post #30

For every comparison we should take into account that scaleway offers dedicated hardware, not a VPS. Also I think its important to note that they (currently) only offer one very "small" server model, so your whole application would have to be able to scale horizontally really well to be able to run on such infrastructure. So you can't have a few big database servers and a lot of small stateless application servers, w…

But... Scaleway is a spinoff of Online.net which offers fine (and cheap) dedicated Intel servers. I don't know (yet) the ping between Scaleway and online.net but it's probably low enough to allow scaling "workers" on ARM servers, while DBs are kept on 64bits dedicated Intel servers. Also if you want to scale horizontally, you probably want to scale on more than one datacenter (online provides that too).

speaking of online.net, they currently have a banner ad front and center on their homepage for scaleway which says: "Run up to 10 bare metal SSD cloud server for free" [1]

Clicking through just lands me on the scaleway homepage. Can anybody shed some light on this? Clicking around their site and couldn't see any mention of it.

[1] http://www.online.net/img/carousel/cloud.jpg screengrab: http://imgur.com/cuvZlgb

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

#50
> We believe that cloud computing is an amazing technology and that everybody should be able to benefit from its advantages. That's why we decided to reduce the price of the C1

Am I the only person who is turned off by that kind of marketing copy? You lowered prices because you thought you could sell more nodes, gain economy of scale, serve as a loss-leader, your costs went down, something. You didn't lower the prices because you wanted to do something nice for everybody.

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