It would teach things such things as the SDLC, waterfall/agile, a dvcs, code maintainability, a documentation system, working with others, writing tests, qa, project management, etc, etc.
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#42> A junior developer fresh out of college can expect to earn around $10,000 monthly, plus benefits, a $100,000 signing bonus and $200,000 in stock options. Maybe I'm out of touch with the realities of the world, being an ancient 31-year old PHP/Java developer who's never written a line of something cool like Go in his life, but an expectation of $10k post-tax right out of college doesn't seem like a realistic expecta…
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#43It's interesting how the author laments that CS graduates are not up to date with the latest technologies, while admitting himself that the technologies "change every 10 minutes". By this logic, students starting a CS education should have no idea what they just signed up for, since the up to date courses desired by industry do not even exist yet - heck, the technology does not exist yet. That said, I personally know…
Why do you think that position to be extreme? (serious question)
Of course, this should not mean that whatever industry asks for is law - sometimes they simply get it wrong (it is usually not very difficult to realize when), which is exactly the point where universities can help by not educating students to repeat the same mistakes. Something like saving companies from themselves, I guess.
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#44And, of course, it's "cloud based". It sucks up all your email into their servers, where they get to look at it. Privacy policy? What privacy policy?
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#45The article is paywalled and i can't read it.
You can read it by googling the title of the article and clicking on Google's link to it.
* site:wsj.com Why I’m Not Looking to Hire Computer-Science Majors
* Why I’m Not Looking to Hire Computer-Science Majors
I was able to find it copied on a unrelated site. Or at least, I assume it's the same article, but I have no idea of knowing.
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#46I think you can make a very solid argument that universities would do well to offer a Software Engineering track alongside CS, one that focuses less on formal mathematical analyses of algorithms and reticulating splines, and more on practical concerns of software teams -- different approaches to the SDLC, ways to work in a team, how to evolve existing code without breaking things.
But the argument he actually makes -- that universities should be teaching "iPhone or Android development" and spend multiple semesters on that... yeah, no. If you want a trade school that's narrowly focused on teaching people a job skill that's in demand this very second, I'd argue you're misguided, but whatever; either way, it's not what universities do and shouldn't be. The point of a university is to teach you things that won't be worthless a few years after you graduate.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's really pretty irrational (in terms of pay, career progression) to be a dev in the Midwest. Even if you don't like Bay Area cost of living there's Portland, Seattle, Boston, etc. the only reasons I can think of to stay would be a serious desire to own a suburban home or to live near your parents.
There's attractive urban living in the Midwest (and the South) too. Coast = urban kewl stuff, midwest = suburban lame stuff, that's a huge simplification. I'd actually say the opposite. If you desire to own an `urban` home, you have a much better shot at it in the Midwest, than you would have at the coasts. Average dev income will push you to the burbs on the coasts, but not necessarily in the Midwest. But pay is low…
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's really pretty irrational (in terms of pay, career progression) to be a dev in the Midwest. Even if you don't like Bay Area cost of living there's Portland, Seattle, Boston, etc. the only reasons I can think of to stay would be a serious desire to own a suburban home or to live near your parents.
Is it really? Bankrate.com's cost-of-living calculator tells me the equivalent income in San Francisco if you're moving from Columbus, Ohio earning $110K is $213K. That would be an approximate salary of a senior developer. And these are jobs where 40 hrs is the norm, in addition to medical, dental, disability, life insurance, 401k match, and bonus.
Glassdoor has an average software engineer in Chicago making $75k. Bankrate says the equivalent income in SF would be $113k, and Glassdoor has median salary in SF as $103k.
$10k is a lot of money to be sure, and you are paying a premium for SF, but it's not always so dramatic.
Employers seem to be pretty good at adjusting salaries by geography according to cost of living. You can't really "win" unless you can convince someone to pay you a Bay Area salary to live in the Midwest. And maybe you can, but if they're smart and the market is efficient, it won't last long.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can read it by googling the title of the article and clicking on Google's link to it.
Google doesn't seem to bring up any results for the article when trying either: * site:wsj.com Why I’m Not Looking to Hire Computer-Science Majors * Why I’m Not Looking to Hire Computer-Science Majors I was able to find it copied on a unrelated site. Or at least, I assume it's the same article, but I have no idea of knowing.
I'm not sure why you couldn't get it through Google, since searching for the title works OK for me - it shows up as the featured "In the news" link at the very top of the results page. You can also try searching via news.google.com; that should also get you through the paywall.