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Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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I'm also Chernobyl kid! :) I was born in Romania in May of 1986 about 700km from the plant[1]. My mom tells me stories about how all the pregnant women in the area were encouraged to eat pre-packaged food (no fresh veggies, for example), and drink powdered milk. Luckily, I was almost completely developed by the time of the disaster (born May 8, meltdown happened April 26), but I am very cognizant about some health pr…

Did you get iodine supplements?

I'm not sure, but I don't think so. I'll need to ask my parents.

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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Ever since it became easier to get into the Chernobyl area, there has been an increase in people trying to dramatize it. I suggest watching this short video with Tom Scott, about his recent visit, where they try to inject a bit of reality into the situation: a lot of looted/stripped buildings that have stood abandoned for decades. It's impressive, but doesn't have a lot to do with radiation or the reactor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhYEkRjUWM8

There are certainly a lot of areas where you shouldn't linger for extended periods of time. The reactor accident (and how the situation was handled afterwords[1]) was absolutely terrible.

That said, it is important to remember that - even accounting for the Chernobyl disaster (and the utterly insignificant radiological[3] disaster in Fukushima) - nuclear power is still the only viable option if we want to have energy in the future, as it is the cleanest. Everything else pollutes more and only a few technologies even come close to making enough power.

Unfortunately, the Hiroshima Syndrome[4] is epidemic, and the current wave of "Chernobyl disaster theatre" is only making these fears worse. We need to find better ways to educate people and counter the decades of misinformation and fear. The HN crowd like to "disrupt" things, so may I suggest finding ways to disrupt the common fears about radiation?

[1] My greatest respect and thanks to the people - the "liquidators" - who had to be the "bio-robots" that cleaned up the worst areas when the mechanical robots failed from the radiation. If you haven't seen it, I suggest watching this[2] footage of 3828 people that cleaned up one of the worst areas of the reactor's roof, [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfDa8tR25dk

[3] the tsunami disaster was far worse, but isn't relevant to my point

[4] http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/what-is-the-hiroshima-syndr...

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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Ever since it became easier to get into the Chernobyl area, there has been an increase in people trying to dramatize it. I suggest watching this short video with Tom Scott, about his recent visit, where they try to inject a bit of reality into the situation: a lot of looted/stripped buildings that have stood abandoned for decades. It's impressive, but doesn't have a lot to do with radiation or the reactor. https://ww…

> The HN crowd like to "disrupt" things, so may I suggest finding ways to disrupt the common fears about radiation?

Don't get your hopes up - I can't imagine how a tech startup could participate in nuclear power generation. Startups can however compete in decentralized energy production technologies such as wind and solar.

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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post #42

Ever since it became easier to get into the Chernobyl area, there has been an increase in people trying to dramatize it. I suggest watching this short video with Tom Scott, about his recent visit, where they try to inject a bit of reality into the situation: a lot of looted/stripped buildings that have stood abandoned for decades. It's impressive, but doesn't have a lot to do with radiation or the reactor. https://ww…

> The HN crowd like to "disrupt" things, so may I suggest finding ways to disrupt the common fears about radiation? Don't get your hopes up - I can't imagine how a tech startup could participate in nuclear power generation. Startups can however compete in decentralized energy production technologies such as wind and solar.

> Don't get your hopes up

I know, but it's worth asking anyway.

Note that I'm suggesting education, not power generation. The generators can come later, but only after the radiophobia is addressed.

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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Vastly more personal damage and hardship was caused by the forced removal of populations than the actual event itself. This happened both at Chernobyl and Fukushima.

The confirmed radiation related death's at Chernobyl was 13, the occurrence of cancers and other illnesses possibly related to radiation in the population is to close to the statistical noise floor to be significant.

The current popular narrative on nuclear energy is not doing us any good.

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the link: Rates were 1.2 times higher after the accident compared to the pre-accident period among the population living in territories with a level of radioactive pollution exceeding 555 kBq per m2

We're talking about absolute numbers so small that we can't have much confidence in the cause ( http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/1/125.full ): Between 1986 and 1996 a total of 21 cases of leukaemia were observed in Zhitomir occurring among children born during 1986. A total of eight cases were observed in the largely uncontaminated Poltava region.

You should check cancer rate increased in Belarus, as Wikipedia states: ...Reports from Soviet and Western scientists indicate that Belarus received about 60% of the contamination that fell on the former Soviet Union...

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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One of Chernobyl's children is currently heavyweight boxing champion of the world.

I'm sorry, but this sounds like street-level insult. Brothers Klitchko and Valuev were all born in 70ties. Not even close to Chernobyl's children generation.

Why did you think this was meant as an insult?

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but this sounds like street-level insult. Brothers Klitchko and Valuev were all born in 70ties. Not even close to Chernobyl's children generation.

Why did you think this was meant as an insult?

You see, you've stepped onto the ground rich with history and connotations. Growing up I saw in newspapers photos of children with flippers instead of legs. I've heard kids being called "Chernobyl kid" on streets by other kids. "Chernobyl kid" as in insult meant "damaged kid".

More generally term "Chernobyl kid" means (or used to mean) something very specific: person who was affected by radiation in a way which caused mutations. For mutations to be caused, radiation exposure needs to happen during prenatal development. Just being displaced with your family to other region does not make you a Chernobyl kid. That's why I mentioned wrong generation.

We are talking about boxers who have exceptional physical characteristics. When you talk about Chernobyl in this context, things like antagonist "Rocky IV" pop into mind. Juiced on chems. Or a mutant.

Calling a world champion a mutant is an insult. He has made it to the top thanks to hard work, talent, and smart management.

Re: Where Are Chernobyl’s Children?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you think this was meant as an insult?

You see, you've stepped onto the ground rich with history and connotations. Growing up I saw in newspapers photos of children with flippers instead of legs. I've heard kids being called "Chernobyl kid" on streets by other kids. "Chernobyl kid" as in insult meant "damaged kid". More generally term "Chernobyl kid" means (or used to mean) something very specific: person who was affected by radiation in a way which cause…

I see. What I was intending with that comment was to point out that despite being a child who was exposed to radiation in Chernobyl, that child (children, Vitali was there too) went on to be one of the most physically accomplished humans currently alive.
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